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#81
(07-28-2017, 04:44 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(07-27-2017, 11:08 PM)gstanford Wrote: Ok I'm (morbidly) fascinated now since you've said your parents are better off than you in the past, why is your mum renting in an inappropriate neighbourhood if she is richer than you?

and why is your son shopping at a thrift shop if you buy everything he wants (even if he doesn't like a PS4)?

Mum:
Like I said, pinching pennies and wanted to live closer to my brother. Wasn't a gunshot neighborhood, but I saw some folk in the parking lot I wasn't comfortable walking by with my then toddler. She moved out soon after because she found out she wasn't thrilled with it either, and has lived in places I don't mind visiting since.

Son: Part of his quest for vintage to mix with the rest. He also orders costly shoes every other week, custom clothes from artists, and doesn't think twice about spending $50 on a tshirt from the 80s. He's looking for a more unique look than the suburban mall kid look.

My point with those comments is I'm an old suburbanite, about as dangerous as Wonderbread. (a bland, mass produced white bread if you guys don't have it) I'm about as boring (and dangerous) as Mr. Rogers.
I guess it's different living in the States. I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are. It's extremely sad. I could see having to be careful about where one lives. We don't really have that problem here. I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with. The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion. They have no means to dig themselves out of it. Glass ceilings everywhere. They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive. The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable. Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society. They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base. They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by. Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education. That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings. We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you. Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops. So what if he wants to shop there? Maybe it will give him more money for other things. I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really. I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university. I continue to save money in any way I can. It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US. It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant. You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo. I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.
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#82
Yes, we have cheap, bland white bread here that is nothing but empty calories. I try not to eat bread at all. Much prefer a weet-bix lightly buttered, at least it is whole grain and mostly unprocessed.

So long as the clothes your son is purchasing from thrift shops are clean there isn't a problem imo. Beats buying old T-Shirts online for $50 a pop.

SickBeast is correct, you need to see the world in a more compassionate and less arrogant light. Maybe take a leaf out of your mothers book. I bet she's not worried by the neighbours you look down your nose at. They are too busy trying to get by to worry about her that's for sure.
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#83
(07-28-2017, 06:27 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

Ummm, if my mom lived in the ghetto I wouldn't have taken my son there at all. A person has to look out for the safety of their family and an easy way to do that is avoid areas where there are people who commit crimes.

I honestly don't think much about the poor, but I do have compassion for them. (LOL- Ive been "them") Hopefully this Foxconn deal is the beginning of manufacturing jobs coming back to the Midwest, people need jobs in that sector. Too many of them stocking shelves and flipping burgers now.
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#84
(07-27-2017, 10:18 PM)iRollo Wrote: Well I was banned from anand  in one day or so and brought here the record crowd. Car was pontiac trans am btw  Tongue
Why did they ban you? The mods at ATF are completely nuts. esquared is the worst.
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#85
(07-28-2017, 06:27 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

What do you know about the poor in the USA? You have no clue the amount of crap fed to you by groups with agendas. You truly know nothing first hand. It amazes me how so many people are fooled, the extent is mind boggling. People have been misled in so may ways and they have no clue how badly. I have said many times on this forum that the "poor" today live a standard of life that far exceeds the majority of all humans since the dawn humankind. But there are so many groups and people who have found ways to capitalize on propaganda that many people seem all too eager to fall for. Those people feeding and pushing the propaganda, they have agendas which have nothing to do with saving the poor.

You would be surprised to find out how much of what you think you know is completely warped. The manipulation is made easier when they constantly push, pull, and feed on people's guilt. But, I know you cant possibly be anywhere near accepting what i just said. What you think you know now, its burned in so well that you may never be able to realize it.

But nevertheless, there are the facts.

Lets start off with the huge obesity epidemic for the "poor" in the USA. Yep, the poor starving people in the US are starving themselves to unprecedented obesity.
[Image: obesity_and_income.jpg]
[Image: change-in-obesity-by-income-us-women-199...=440&h=275]
[Image: Obesity_2011_Report_by_income.jpg]

But facts like these, they are not talked about... unless there is some way to spin it, the narrative has to be how mistreated the poor is. And so these kind of facts, they even try to spin something like this so that it is somehow an act against the poor.
So they make it into something like this: Super smart specialist theorize that the higher obesity levels in the poor may be due to the fact that poor people dont have access to the same food that people with higher incomes have.

And i am serious, i have read that exact claim many times. But, see.. the poor are not forced to buy junk food. Its actually insane, nuts... junk food is not cheap, Sodas, snack cakes, and all that crap... you can make real meals on the same budget. You can make real meals, home cooked for less than the mass amounts of junk food obese people eat. And the obesity levels trend with income in the US. The lower incomes have not only a higher percentage of overweight people, its also the level of obesity. And it takes a lot of junk food to gain and maintain huge Body Mass Indexes.
Sadly, in the US you can go into any grocery store and find people pushing shopping carts piled to the max with junk crap food, individuals pushing multiple overflowing carts to the register and paying with foodstamps...all of it pure fat, sugar, junk food. All across the nation.

But, you know.. the poor, oh how they all suffer. Lets just look at how bad they got it:

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-ineq...acts-about

Quote:-> Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.
-> Some 96 percent of poor parents report their children were never hungry at any time in the prior year.
-> Sound anti-poverty policy must be based on accurate information and address the causes of poverty, not merely the symptoms.

Quote:- 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
- 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
- Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
- Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
- Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
- Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
- More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
- 43 percent have Internet access.
- One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
- One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

Not too bad.... right?
Well, those statistics are from 2011. Instead of things becoming worse, these kind of stats have only increased since then. I am linking to this specific article because it is so broad and full of well written, with so many facts and statistics most people will never see, all in one place.

Sickbeast, at the very least, read the linked article. I feel you ignore and completely close out things that go counter to what you believe in your head. At least understand that there are things in this world that dont perfectly fit in the predefined box you think they do. That sickbeast POV is a skewed and limited to the portals which you base them on.
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#86
(07-29-2017, 09:08 AM)ocre Wrote:
(07-28-2017, 06:27 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

What do you know about the poor in the USA?  You have no clue the amount of crap fed to you by groups with agendas.  You truly know nothing first hand. It amazes me how so many people are fooled, the extent is mind boggling. People have been misled in so may ways and they have no clue how badly.  I have said many times on this forum that the "poor" today live a standard of life that far exceeds the majority of all humans since the dawn humankind.  But there are so many groups and people who have found ways to capitalize on propaganda that many people seem all too eager to fall for.  Those people feeding and pushing the propaganda, they have agendas which have nothing to do with saving the poor.

You would be surprised to find out how much of what you think you know is completely warped.  The manipulation is made easier when they constantly push, pull, and feed on people's guilt. But, I know you cant possibly be anywhere near accepting what i just said. What you think you know now, its burned in so well that you may never be able to realize it.

But nevertheless, there are the facts.  

Lets start off with the huge obesity epidemic for the "poor" in the USA.  Yep, the poor starving people in the US are starving themselves to unprecedented obesity.
[Image: obesity_and_income.jpg]
[Image: change-in-obesity-by-income-us-women-199...=440&h=275]
[Image: Obesity_2011_Report_by_income.jpg]

But facts like these, they are not talked about... unless there is some way to spin it, the narrative has to be how mistreated the poor is.  And so these kind of facts, they even try to spin something like this so that it is somehow an act against the poor.
So they make it into something like this:  Super smart specialist theorize that the higher obesity levels in the poor may be due to the fact that poor people dont have access to the same food that people with higher incomes have.

And i am serious, i have read that exact claim many times.  But, see.. the poor are not forced to buy junk food.  Its actually insane, nuts... junk food is not cheap, Sodas, snack cakes, and all that crap... you can make real meals on the same budget.  You can make real meals, home cooked for less than the mass amounts of junk food obese people eat. And the obesity levels trend with income in the US.  The lower incomes have not only a higher percentage of overweight people, its also the level of obesity.  And it takes a lot of junk food to gain and maintain huge Body Mass Indexes.  
Sadly, in the US you can go into any grocery store and find people pushing shopping carts piled to the max with junk crap food, individuals pushing multiple overflowing carts to the register and paying with foodstamps...all of it pure fat, sugar, junk food. All across the nation.

But, you know.. the poor, oh how they all suffer.  Lets just look at how bad they got it:

   http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-ineq...acts-about

Quote:-> Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.
-> Some 96 percent of poor parents report their children were never hungry at any time in the prior year.
-> Sound anti-poverty policy must be based on accurate information and address the causes of poverty, not merely the symptoms.

Quote:- 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
- 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
- Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
- Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
- Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
- Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
- More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
- 43 percent have Internet access.
- One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
- One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

Not too bad.... right?
Well, those statistics are from 2011.  Instead of things becoming worse, these kind of stats have only increased since then.  I am linking to this specific article because it is so broad and full of well written, with so many facts and statistics most people will never see, all in one place.  

Sickbeast, at the very least, read the linked article.  I feel you ignore and completely close out things that go counter to what you believe in your head.  At least understand that there are things in this world that dont perfectly fit in the predefined box you think they do.  That sickbeast POV is a skewed and limited to the portals which you base them on.
Look, ocre, you and I have completely different world views.  You're from the deep south and I'm from Canada...let's just say that we're both surrounded by completely different societies.  I can disagree with your opinions and still walk away with a lot of respect for you.  What you have just posted is completely reasonable.  The post of mine that you just quoted was directed at Rollo, who has shown repeatedly that he has a complete disdain for the poor and also "slackers" as he calls them.

You say I don't understand the poor in the USA, that's a fair point, I haven't really studied it, I just know what I know based on what I have seen.  Talk to any Canadian that has visited the States, they will all tell you that the ghettos there are unlike anything seen in Canada.  The burnt out buildings, the boarded up windows.  People are actually *living* in those conditions.  You call that a life?

Maybe things are a bit different there.  Perhaps people can get by on a minimum wage living.  That is simply not possible here, the cost of living is simply too high in our cities.  Like I said before, the people making minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  They are working and contributing to society, not sitting at home collecting social assistance.  Economist after economist has touted the benefits of raising the minimum wage.  The only ones opposed to it are the businesses.  They have to meet their bottom line and they have to maximize their profits to their shareholders, I get that.  However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.

What I find interesting is that people are just wired different politically.  I don't think you and Rollo can see it any other way, nor should you really.  This diversity is really what makes democracy great and it's what makes our systems work.  You guys are right about some things, guys like me are right about others.  I have a lot of compassion for the less fortunate.  Heck, I have *been* that person before in my life, I know how hard it is.

Like I said before, my post was directed at Rollo, not you.  I do appreciate our discussions on ABT.  Things are always civil and I feel like I'm having an intellectual conversation with you.
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#87
You need more compassion for the poor Ocre. Only if you post you like them and support taxing the rich on the internet will they be saved!
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#88
(07-29-2017, 09:51 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Look, ocre, you and I have completely different world views.  You're from the deep south and I'm from Canada...let's just say that we're both surrounded by completely different societies.  I can disagree with your opinions and still walk away with a lot of respect for you.  What you have just posted is completely reasonable.  The post of mine that you just quoted was directed at Rollo, who has shown repeatedly that he has a complete disdain for the poor and also "slackers" as he calls them.

You say I don't understand the poor in the USA, that's a fair point, I haven't really studied it, I just know what I know based on what I have seen.  Talk to any Canadian that has visited the States, they will all tell you that the ghettos there are unlike anything seen in Canada.  The burnt out buildings, the boarded up windows.  People are actually *living* in those conditions.  You call that a life?

Maybe things are a bit different there.  Perhaps people can get by on a minimum wage living.  That is simply not possible here, the cost of living is simply too high in our cities.  Like I said before, the people making minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  They are working and contributing to society, not sitting at home collecting social assistance.  Economist after economist has touted the benefits of raising the minimum wage.  The only ones opposed to it are the businesses.  They have to meet their bottom line and they have to maximize their profits to their shareholders, I get that.  However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.

What I find interesting is that people are just wired different politically.  I don't think you and Rollo can see it any other way, nor should you really.  This diversity is really what makes democracy great and it's what makes our systems work.  You guys are right about some things, guys like me are right about others.  I have a lot of compassion for the less fortunate.  Heck, I have *been* that person before in my life, I know how hard it is.

Like I said before, my post was directed at Rollo, not you.  I do appreciate our discussions on ABT.  Things are always civil and I feel like I'm having an intellectual conversation with you.

"Look Ocre I just want to criticize Rollo"?
Hit_head

A. Who are you to say what CEOs should make? How would you like it if they said YOU make too much money?
B. As noted, higher minimums are a big problem for small business, and small business is half our jobs, a leader in jobs creation, the origin of many big corporations, and way for families to obtain wealth and independence outside of the corporate world. Your view is almost like communism, "Everyone works together for the big effort and the workers wages are raised, management is lowered, because everyone's job is just as important!".
C. I've been poor as well, to the point I actually got food stamps. (govt assistance) I did not have the heart to use them and did not, but I have been poor. You know what I found? It was a really good motivation to try and get ahead.
D. The working poor here already are subsidized with health care, food stamps, rent assistance. You want them to be paid more as well?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/food...05db4d1364

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ty/516861/
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#89
Just because somebody is fat or obese it does NOT follow that they are also full of good nutrients essential to living a long and healthy life!

Obesity and malnutrition go hand in hand.  Poor people eat mostly carbohydrates because that's all they can afford.  The body stores excess carbohydrates as body fat through the insulin cycle.   Because the insulin cycle is being abused most of these people will end up diabetic because of eating nutritionally poor carbohydrate rich food.

Watch the following videos before you say anything else on the subject!

https://youtu.be/bQT0OHhNSyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxyxcTZccsE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDneyrETR2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59YyXpCT1M
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#90
(07-29-2017, 09:51 AM)SickBeast Wrote: However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.
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#91
(07-29-2017, 04:46 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(07-29-2017, 09:51 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Look, ocre, you and I have completely different world views.  You're from the deep south and I'm from Canada...let's just say that we're both surrounded by completely different societies.  I can disagree with your opinions and still walk away with a lot of respect for you.  What you have just posted is completely reasonable.  The post of mine that you just quoted was directed at Rollo, who has shown repeatedly that he has a complete disdain for the poor and also "slackers" as he calls them.

You say I don't understand the poor in the USA, that's a fair point, I haven't really studied it, I just know what I know based on what I have seen.  Talk to any Canadian that has visited the States, they will all tell you that the ghettos there are unlike anything seen in Canada.  The burnt out buildings, the boarded up windows.  People are actually *living* in those conditions.  You call that a life?

Maybe things are a bit different there.  Perhaps people can get by on a minimum wage living.  That is simply not possible here, the cost of living is simply too high in our cities.  Like I said before, the people making minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  They are working and contributing to society, not sitting at home collecting social assistance.  Economist after economist has touted the benefits of raising the minimum wage.  The only ones opposed to it are the businesses.  They have to meet their bottom line and they have to maximize their profits to their shareholders, I get that.  However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.

What I find interesting is that people are just wired different politically.  I don't think you and Rollo can see it any other way, nor should you really.  This diversity is really what makes democracy great and it's what makes our systems work.  You guys are right about some things, guys like me are right about others.  I have a lot of compassion for the less fortunate.  Heck, I have *been* that person before in my life, I know how hard it is.

Like I said before, my post was directed at Rollo, not you.  I do appreciate our discussions on ABT.  Things are always civil and I feel like I'm having an intellectual conversation with you.

"Look Ocre I just want to criticize Rollo"?
Hit_head

A. Who are you to say what CEOs should make? How would you like it if they said YOU make too much money?
B. As noted, higher minimums are a big problem for small business, and small business is half our jobs, a leader in jobs creation, the origin of many big corporations, and way for families to obtain wealth and independence outside of the corporate world. Your view is almost like communism, "Everyone works together for the big effort and the workers wages are raised, management is lowered, because everyone's job is just as important!".
C. I've been poor as well, to the point I actually got food stamps. (govt assistance) I did not have the heart to use them and did not, but I have been poor. You know what I found? It was a really good motivation to try and get ahead.
D. The working poor here already are subsidized with health care, food stamps, rent assistance. You want them to be paid more as well?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/food...05db4d1364

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ty/516861/
You're damn right I should have a say in what CEOs make. We live in a democracy. The way things stand now, the executive staff at corporations decide their own salaries. They give themselves massive salaries and huge raises while the workers at the bottom struggle to get by on the lowest common denominator, usually a $30K salary. It's just like when the politicians give themselves a raise. It should be illegal. It is a form of corruption, it is completely unfair. If you were not so blinded by your conservative ideology you would be able to see this for what it is. Some places have started capping CEO salaries and I am all for it, I think it's one of the best government policies to come out in a long time.
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The image below is from the 2nd video I posted above.

I'm posting it here because of Ocre's claim that poor people can eat healthy food for less money than they spend on junk food.

Poor people have less money that they can devote to purchasing food every pay packet compared to richer people. The rent/mortgage has to be paid, the power has to be paid etc, so there is less money left over for discretionary spending on food. and the junk food they purchase is addictive (sugar is more addictive than nicotine and cocaine), so they keep buying it.

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Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(07-29-2017, 10:42 PM)gstanford Wrote: The image below is from the 2nd video I posted above.

I'm posting it here because of Ocre's claim that poor people can eat healthy food for less money than they spend on junk food.

Poor people have less money that they can devote to purchasing food every pay packet compared to richer people.  The rent/mortgage has to be paid, the power has to be paid etc, so there is less money left over for discretionary spending on food.  and the junk food they purchase is addictive (sugar is more addictive than nicotine and cocaine), so they keep buying it.

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Agreed.  They are forced to eat crap like kraft dinner and ramen noodles.  Incredibly unhealthy.  Actually there is a part of the human body in our digestive tract that searches for nutrients and makes you hungry.  When you eat junk food, it can't find any nutrients, and it keeps making you feel hungry.

It looks like ocre spends a lot of time reading articles from the alt right.  Sad.  My experience with these people is that they have been brainwashed, often indoctrinated since birth.  It's often associated with a religion.  My experience with these people here in Canada is that they are often social conservatives.  They don't have a mind of their own, they follow a herd mentality.  No independent thought when it comes to these things.  Blinded by their own ideology.  They just can't see things any other way.
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#94
I am back from visiting Dad in Florida, step mom unexpectedly suddenly died. She apparently got up from bed too fast and fell and hit her head on the night table and bled out. Gruesome for my Dad and sister :( . On way back up driving I apparently rubbed or scratched my right eye and got an ulcer tear and it got infected. Been to eye doc everyday since as she is trying to save my eye. In her words, it blew up. Until yesterday was just frosted glass, could not see anything. Now it is more of a foggy haze. Drops on the hour every hour since last Tuesday does not make for good sleep.
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#95
Goodness Dave that's horrible. Best wishes! Get well soon!
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(07-30-2017, 12:22 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I am back from visiting Dad in Florida, step mom unexpectedly suddenly died. She apparently got up from bed too fast and fell and hit her head on the night table and bled out. Gruesome for my Dad and sister :( . On way back up driving I apparently rubbed or scratched my right eye and got an ulcer tear and it got infected. Been to eye doc everyday since as she is trying to save my eye. In her words, it blew up. Until yesterday was just frosted glass, could not see anything. Now it is more of a foggy haze. Drops on the hour every hour since last Tuesday does not make for good sleep.

My condolences and jeez, that sucks!
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#97
Lets hope you recover fast and nothing else goes wrong around you for a while!
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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#98
Good luck recovering.
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