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Indiana Religious Freedom Law
Indiana business differed with Gov. Mike Pence and some clergy Monday on a proposed law that supporters say would protect people and businesses from having to take part in same-sex weddings and other activities they find objectionable because of religious belief.
The Indiana Chamber of Commerce and other business groups argued that the Republican-sponsored proposal could hurt the state's reputation and make it more difficulty to attract companies.
The Indiana Chamber of Commerce and other business groups argued that the Republican-sponsored proposal could hurt the state's reputation and make it more difficulty to attract companies.
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Indiana businesses post signs No Gays allowed.
This law came about because a Bakery downtown Indianapolis did not want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
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I don't have a problem with this, oddly enough. Discrimination laws don't really prevent discrimination to begin with, so I don't see the point in objecting to the opposite. On a related note, hate crime laws don't actually prevent hate crime: http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/g...tml?page=3Quote:In 2013, the Nation published an article by hate crime researchers which makes, I think uniquely, the admission that criminalizing hate crime does not reduce hate crime—in this case against the LGBT community on which they are experts.Quote: Do hate crime laws deter crime? There is a great deal of research on the question of whether the death penalty is a deterrent to murder. Hundreds of studies have tried to demonstrate that it is, and all have been debunked for statistical and methodological reasons. There is no conclusive evidence that the death penalty works as a deterrent. There have been far fewer studies done on hate crime laws as a deterrent, and none has demonstrated that they deter crimes. Hate crime law proponents will often argue that we don’t need scientific proof, only common sense. Many Americans simply accept the unproven assumption that these laws act as a deterrent. Wade Henderson, president of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, states, “We recognize we cannot outlaw hate. However, laws shape attitudes. And attitudes influence behavior.” He is correct. Laws do shape attitudes. But our legal system does not write laws to shape attitudes; it writes them to justly and fairly punish explicit behaviors. . . . But the place to change social attitudes, hearts, and minds is not in prisons. It is in schools, in activist organizations, around the dinner table, at houses of worship and other places where people can talk, disagree and learn that disagreement may be a useful and even productive means of growth. [emphasis added]
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I am all for the gays. They can get married or whatever....
I am also all for the businesses. They shouldnt be forced to serve a market, a party, a person they dont want to serve. Its their business, their loss.
Just like gays shouldnt be forced or jailed fo what they believe,
a business shouldnt be forced to go against what they believe in
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(02-11-2015, 09:59 AM)ocre Wrote: I am all for the gays. They can get married or whatever....
I am also all for the businesses. They shouldnt be forced to serve a market, a party, a person they dont want to serve. Its their business, their loss.
Just like gays shouldnt be forced or jailed fo what they believe,
a business shouldnt be forced to go against what they believe in ![[Image: slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif]](http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif)
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(02-11-2015, 09:59 AM)ocre Wrote: I am all for the gays. They can get married or whatever....
I am also all for the businesses. They shouldnt be forced to serve a market, a party, a person they dont want to serve. Its their business, their loss.
Just like gays shouldnt be forced or jailed fo what they believe,
a business shouldnt be forced to go against what they believe in
Wow. It's not any different from racial segregation, so you guys are saying the U.S. has to go back to having white only and black only bathrooms.
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(02-11-2015, 10:14 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: Wow. It's not any different from racial segregation, so you guys are saying the U.S. has to go back to having white only and black only bathrooms. That would only be a problem in monopolies. Competition and PR would prevent that, and laws wouldn't help, as I've already demonstrated.
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Bingo. For example a southern state where all the business owners are religious, there would be no bakery for the gays to get their cake.
That's why need the law against religious zealots. They are free to practice their religion in church but the business is open to the public.
If they want to be discriminatory then they need to close the door and be a membership only club. Big difference.
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(02-11-2015, 11:48 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: Bingo. For example a southern state where all the business owners are religious, there would be no bakery for the gays to get their cake.
That's why need the law against religious zealots. They are free to practice their religion in church but the business is open to the public.
If they want to be discriminatory then they need to close the door and be a membership only club. Big difference. Try telling that to those religious zealots. According to them, their states are scarcely less liberal than liberal states. There's only some exaggeration in that. So bottom line, all business owners in the South are religious? Not even close.
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