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AMD Fury no 980Ti killer
#1
http://wccftech.com/amd-officially-shows...16th-june/

Quote:They previously had plans to show off the complete Radeon Fury card but that changed after the launch of the GeForce GTX 980 Ti and now AMD is making a few adjustments in terms of clock speeds to further optimize the performance of the said card.

If true they're factory OCing to beat or tie 980Ti. So it looks like more general parity, but with less RAM and worse drivers.
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#2
We do not know this yet. I have always found pre-release AMD leaks to be highly inaccurate if not intentionally misleading.
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#3
http://videocardz.com/56225/amd-radeon-f...erformance
3DMark puts Fury as a tiny bit better than the 980 Ti.
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#4
(06-11-2015, 01:47 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: http://videocardz.com/56225/amd-radeon-f...erformance
3DMark puts Fury as a tiny bit better than the 980 Ti.

2% is not going to make me sad I'm gaming on a 980Ti with superior drivers, 2GB more VRAM, and likely uses less power, sheds less heat.

Now if it's $499, I might get a "little" sad.....
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#5
I know the water cooled Fury is smaller, and being water cooled, it likely have better temps. Can't really compare memory, since the Fury uses a new type for video cards (high-bandwidth memory)
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#6
(06-13-2015, 09:51 AM)googoo24 Wrote: I know the water cooled Fury is smaller,  and being water cooled, it likely have better temps. Can't really compare memory, since the Fury uses a new type for video cards (high-bandwidth memory)

Framebuffer /= bandwidth

The question would be: Are there situations more than 4GB is needed? I don't know the answer to this, I suspect at my 1600P resolution, at playable settings, 4GB is enough.

Nonetheless, when I see games like "The Evil Within" require 4GB, and "Shadows of Mordor" need 6GB for ultimate settings, having 6 isn't a bad thing. (I have Evil Within)
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#7
Really, who cares?! This is AMD's last desperate hurrah and isn't going to change anything if they can only offer 30K of them for sale.

Not to mention bussing the Shills (now called "Red Team Plus" instead of "advocates") into AMD's Texas HQ to see the cards before anyone else, including the press.
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#8
Got a source for that? I'm interested in reading about that.
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#9
sure.

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...hp?tid=228

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-shows-ra...lus_165838

http://wccftech.com/amd-fury-30k-units-2...d-cooling/
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#10
Thanks. Interesting that AMD is getting treated with suspicion by a reviewer that isn't ABT, BTR, or Scott Wasson. Speaking of him, TechReport is going down the toilet with clickbait article titles.
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(06-13-2015, 08:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: Really, who cares?!  This is AMD's last desperate hurrah and isn't going to change anything if they can only offer 30K of them for sale.

Not to mention bussing the Shills (now called "Red Team Plus" instead of "advocates") into AMD's Texas HQ to see the cards before anyone else, including the press.

Red Team Plus, LOL.

Head Shill: Here are your free Fury cards, lucky Red Team Plus associates! Remember, the associate who posts the most negative threads about NVIDIA or intel gets a second card, and a free copy of Grand Theft Auto 5!

Shill: Do we still get the free FX8370 and motherboard if we get an intel or NVIDIA fan banned master?

Head Shill: Yes, and we've added a free Corsair loop cooler to that promotion!

Shills: Yay!
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#12
(06-13-2015, 08:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: Really, who cares?!  

LOL. A Lot of people it seems, or I wouldn't constantly be seeing topics about Fury and the 300 series all over the place.

Some of the 300 cards are showing up a retailers:

http://imgur.com/a/86JIz#ZI0J87q
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#13
(06-13-2015, 11:16 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
(06-13-2015, 08:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: Really, who cares?!  

LOL. A Lot of people it seems, or I wouldn't constantly be seeing topics about Fury and the 300 series all over the place.

Some of the 300 cards are showing up a retailers:

http://imgur.com/a/86JIz#ZI0J87q

I don't think you understand Red Team Plus:

They get free stuff for posting about AMD products the threads you see are Red Team Plus guys earning a free game or video card.

AMD has a 22% discrete market share these days. There aren't enough legit buyers interested to make a lot of threads.
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#14
(06-13-2015, 11:31 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I don't think you understand Red Team Plus:

They get free stuff for posting about AMD products the threads you see are Red Team Plus guys earning a free game or video card.

If Red Team plus guys made all the threads, who are the people that keep them going? I see an equal number of post both discrediting an unreleased product and praising it. People care. I know I do, since I enjoy reading about certain computer tech.

I ask myself why do I, though? I mostly play older games anyway. My 280x has only been lightly pushed. I'm playing King's Quest 5 right now. What a joke. Maybe Witcher 3 (whenever I get it) will change things.

Quote:AMD has a 22% discrete market share these days. There aren't enough legit buyers interested to make a lot of threads.

Most people go back and forth in terms of GPU'. If AMD offers a superior package, I assure you, people will quickly jump ship. Though they won't overtake Nvidia, it wouldn't surprise if they recouped some of their market share after these cards are released; particularly with all the hype.
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#15
Seems someone jumped the gun:

http://videocardz.com/56355/amd-radeon-3...dy-on-sale

Also, why are there two forums with Babel in the title? I must have missed something. LOL.
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#16
(06-14-2015, 12:19 AM)googoo24 Wrote:
(06-13-2015, 11:31 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I don't think you understand Red Team Plus:

They get free stuff for posting about AMD products the threads you see are Red Team Plus guys earning a free game or video card.

If Red Team plus guys made all the threads, who are the people that keep them going? I see an equal number of post both discrediting an unreleased product and praising it. People care. I know I do, since I enjoy reading about certain computer tech.

I ask  myself why do I, though? I mostly play older games anyway. My 280x has only been lightly pushed. I'm playing King's Quest 5 right now. What a joke. Maybe Witcher 3 (whenever I get it) will change things.

Quote:AMD has a 22% discrete market share these days. There aren't enough legit buyers interested to make a lot of threads.

Most people go back and forth in terms of GPU'. If AMD offers a superior package, I assure you, people will quickly jump ship. Though they won't overtake Nvidia, it wouldn't surprise if they recouped some of their market share after these cards are released; particularly with all the hype.

I reiterate, you don't understand the Advocates/Red Team plus.

They start threads, and then the other people in the threads are mainly Advocates. (and sometimes the guy that started the thread himself posting with other accounts)

I used to be a mod on NVIDIA's forum. I'd have a thread about some "terrible NVIDIA problem" and 8 different people saying "Hey, I've got that too!" would all have the same IP address. Weird, huh? Maybe they all knew the thread starter and posted from his pc. :dodgy:

I would say most of the pro AMD posts on ATVF are Red Team Plus, earning their free cards, games, and trips to trade shows.

Most of the real people left that forum long ago, got tired of the marketing. So what's left is marketeers chatting and maintaining a watch for anyone posting anything positive about intel or NVIDIA. They HAVE to respond with something pro-AMD and report it to their uplines.

AMD basically controls all speech on forums in their last ditch attempt to survive as they circle the drain.

The "karma" part is: What they've done and are doing is evil, but NVIDIA and intel have better resources and engineers, so AMD is going down hill fast anyway. Their market cap is down to $1.8b (compared to NVIDIA at $11.3b and intel at $148.5b) and they have nothing left to sell, no staff left to cut.

They are truly an example of cosmic justice. They took the low road and now are reaping the wages of their sins.
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#17
If you say so, since I'm not entirely familiar with all antics.

I'll say this though, AMD must be winning with shilling, since even here (if my counting is correct; this topic included) there are more topics in the video forum regarding AMD than Nvidia.

I considered this site somewhat obscure. From my perspective, people do care. That's all, really.

Oh, and a guy has the 390x:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1865280
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#18
hey, googoo

long time no see!

Currently, I have nothing to say about the 300 series. I am speechless at this point. Just hoping somehow the situation turns out different than what it currently looks like. The thought of the entire 300 series being straight rebrands is hard for me to digest.

We do still have FURY to look forward to. Fury Pro might be awesome. I hope it is........
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#19
How's it going, Ocre? Things sure have.....Ummm, changed around here. Reviewing the current leaks, which look legit, it appears all AMD did was slap more ram on the 290x. Ridiculous.

I likely won't be able to afford Fury. I'll probably wait for a price drop on the GTX 980 and snag one.
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#20
GTX 980 was dropped to MSRP USD 499 recently.
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#21
(06-14-2015, 08:17 AM)ocre Wrote: hey, googoo

long time no see!

Currently, I have nothing to say about the 300 series.  I am speechless at this point.  Just hoping somehow the situation turns out different than what it currently looks like.  The thought of the entire 300 series being straight rebrands is hard for me to digest.  

We do still have FURY to look forward to.  Fury Pro might be awesome.  I hope it is........

I think the sales of these cards will be hard for AMD stockholders to digest.

I also think these cards will be impossible for Red Team Power Rangers to pimp, but it will be very amusing watching them try to explain to the world that the two year old tech is all they need. It's working so well with Vishera.
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#22
They will stick to the script.

The plan of action is pretty clear if take a few minutes to visit various forums.
Goes like this

-bring up the 970 memory mishap and say nvidia scammed everyone cause they are evil
-claim that nvidia is purposefully gimping Kepler performances as part of a planned obsolete agenda
-claim that AMD is a company of all things good and if you don't support them you are supporting evil
-that AMD gpus get better with age
-that AMD cards will be truly unlocked when dx12 titles hit, that was the plan all along and why there is only rebrands.
-insert anything you can spin negative against nvidia and positive for AMD
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#23
(06-14-2015, 10:35 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: GTX 980 was dropped to MSRP USD 499 recently.

No rush. I'm hoping Fury performs as hyped, and is priced competitively. This will likely nudge prices down further. Already, 980' are inching closer to $450.

The 390x would have to be $300 for me to consider it, if current performance is any indication.
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#24
Fury announcements are here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/213513/amd-un...aming.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/213517/amd-an...licon.html
Air-cooled Fury, water-cooled Fury, Fury X, Radeon R9 Nano, and dual-GPU Fury are on the way. Fury X deploys next month, Fury possibly sooner.

Also Project Quantum, a SFF gaming PC which packs 2 Fiji GPUs into a small package: http://www.techpowerup.com/213512/amd-an...antum.html
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#25
Personally I wonder if they had to re-spin the Fury.

Market share plummeting to AMD CPU like levels, only Rebrandeons to show, so they have to soft launch today during the re-spin.

Smart money says low availability at first, don't know if this means buy whatever revision they launch with or not.

IIRC the early GTX480s (the infamous Thermis) were pretty leaky and hot, and had a shorter life span. A revision or two later and the thermals of the 480 were much improved and it was almost a different chip. Half baked and water cooled by necessity?
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#26
Leaked benchmarks are out, Fury X beats TITAN X except at 5K and up, Fury equals 980 Ti except at 5K and up, so much for AMD saying Fury X was for 5K gaming: http://www.techpowerup.com/213528/radeon...bench.html
Edit: Disregard, AMD stealth advocate source.
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#27
Read comment #10 for that article.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/posts/3299161
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#28
Thanks for the info.
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#29
If this thing impresses, I may get one:

http://www.techpowerup.com/213556/amd-ra...2#comments
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#30
I love the idea of the nano too. It is neat.

But I can't help feeling a little strange here. Why didn't AMD list any performance projections for Fiji?
They had the floor, had an audience, had the stage, everyone was wanting to know how it compared......
But AMD went completely around it.

They talked about performance per watt. That sounded fantastic. I just don't know why they would breeze by without any comparison to the competition. But when it came to the rehashed/rebranded 300series, they were throwing up charts and performance all over the place.

Why would they leave Fiji performance out?
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#31
(06-18-2015, 09:40 AM)ocre Wrote: I love the idea of the nano too.  It is neat.

But I can't help feeling a little strange here.  Why didn't AMD list any performance projections for Fiji?
They had the floor, had an audience, had the stage, everyone was wanting to know how it compared......
But AMD went completely around it.

They talked about performance per watt.  That sounded fantastic.   I just don't know why they would breeze by without any comparison to the competition.  But when it came to the rehashed/rebranded 300series, they were throwing up charts and performance all over the place.

Why would they leave Fiji performance out?

Remember their 290 (non X) launch? How they changed the fan speeds a week before launch so the card would not throttle?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-a...0-review/2

My guess is the Fiji cards are a work in progress still, whatever they were going to be probably changed due to NVIDIA's 980 price cut and 980 ti release.
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#32
Fiji has no HDMI 2.0 support, AMD rep states this, then deletes his post: http://www.techpowerup.com/213575/amd-fi...pport.html
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(06-18-2015, 07:44 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Fiji has no HDMI 2.0 support, AMD rep states this, then deletes his post: http://www.techpowerup.com/213575/amd-fi...pport.html

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#34
(06-17-2015, 08:55 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Leaked benchmarks are out, Fury X beats TITAN X except at 5K and up, Fury equals 980 Ti except at 5K and up, so much for AMD saying Fury X was for 5K gaming: http://www.techpowerup.com/213528/radeon...bench.html
Edit: Disregard, AMD stealth advocate source.

This Forbes guys says that AMD beats Nvidia now if so the thread Title is wrong.

AMD Radeon 390x Video Card Edges Out Nvidia GTX 980 In 4K Gaming

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AMD’s new Radeon 300 series of graphics cards has launched

AMD has introduced new features like Frame Rate Targeting Control and Virtual Super Resolution. It’s also evident that they’ve massaged more performance and power efficiency out of their Hawaii XT core (now renamed to Grenada XT) and doubled the amount of GDDR5 video memory to 8GB from the onset.

Crucially, the Radeon 390x launches at $429, giving AMD a distinct price advantage over Nvidia’s $499 GTX 980. That advantage is meaningless without a performance edge to back it up, however, and based on the reviewer’s guide in front of me, AMD has delivered.

The reason you’re not seeing a huge influx of reviews for the Radeon 300 series just yet is that AMD has left press samples in the hands of their board partners such as MSI, Sapphire, and ASUS. This leaves the process a bit scattershot

None of the companies I’ve contacted will happen samples available to ship until tomorrow or early next week.

Particularly interesting to me is that the Radeon 390 — not the Radeon 390x — also handily beats the GTX 980 in certain games like Far Cry 4, Shadow of Mordor, Skyrim, and Batman Arkham Origins. AMD’s Radeon 390 launches at a very competitive $329.

This bodes very well for the high-end 300 series products, and it also alludes to some very impressive performance numbers for AMD’s Fury and Fury X cards, which I’m suspecting will challenge Nvidia’s 980 Ti and Titan X. But I’ll echo PC World’s sentiment that you shouldn’t buy these cards until reviewers have had a chance to thoroughly test them and compare them against the 200 series.

As promised, I’ll have real-world personally tested benchmarks for the 300 series cards as soon as I can get my hands on some. Stay tuned!
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#35
These benches seem to indicate that Fury is indeed a TI killer..........

http://www.techpowerup.com/213615/radeon...k-amd.html

Hmmmm......I need to see real word benches! NOW!
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(06-19-2015, 02:46 PM)googoo24 Wrote: These benches seem to indicate that Fury is indeed a TI killer..........

http://www.techpowerup.com/213615/radeon...k-amd.html

Hmmmm......I need to see real word benches! NOW!

AMDs PR benches? I'll reserve judgement.

LOL at AMD pimping 4K when they don't support HDMI 2.0.
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#37
[Image: jiuredx.jpg]

Some strange settings?

No AF

none

And no AA on the games with the highest frame rates?

It does look like the fury will be close. And at random settings, it wins.

If these benchmarks are legit
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#38
(06-20-2015, 09:26 PM)ocre Wrote: Some strange settings?

No AF

none

And no AA on the games with the highest frame rates?

It does look like the fury will be close.  And at random settings, it wins.  

If these benchmarks are legit

LOL, that's what I mean about PR benchmarks.

"We found these games and these settings that show our product in a favorable light. Yay us!"

Has anyone run a game without AF in the last 10 years+?
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#39
Fury X announced at USD 649: http://www.techpowerup.com/213695/amd-fi...quiet.html
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(06-22-2015, 11:23 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Fury X announced at USD 649: http://www.techpowerup.com/213695/amd-fi...quiet.html

Will be interesting to see how the market reacts to this card.

Born in controversy for being late, less VRAM and worse drivers than competitor, and 30fps at 4K are strikes against it for the people that normally buy cards in this price range.

I haven't had Cross Fire since my dual 7970s, but it was a mess back then. (and I'm not just talking about frame pacing)
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