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11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency
(02-05-2016, 11:17 AM)gstanford Wrote: I live a life that I am happy with Rollo, whether you would be happy with it I don't know and don't care to find out.  I don't live my life wondering if I've got one up on the Jones' or not.

As usual, you don't understand me at all.

Has nothing to do with anyone else.

My job gives me lots of free time to do what I really enjoy with friends and family.

All the things I buy are tools to do what I enjoy with friends and family.

All the investments are to insure I can retire at age when I can still enjoy my hobbies, and have the money to live comfortably while I do so.

I don't really care what the Jones' are up to, I hope they're doing the same because life is short.
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(02-05-2016, 11:42 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(02-05-2016, 11:17 AM)gstanford Wrote: I live a life that I am happy with Rollo, whether you would be happy with it I don't know and don't care to find out.  I don't live my life wondering if I've got one up on the Jones' or not.

As usual, you don't understand me at all.

Has nothing to do with anyone else.

My job gives me lots of free time to do what I really enjoy with friends and family.

All the things I buy are tools to do what I enjoy with friends and family.

All the investments are to insure I can retire at age when I can still enjoy my hobbies, and have the money to live comfortably while I do so.

I don't really care what the Jones' are up to, I hope they're doing the same because life is short.

For somebody who supposedly doesn't care what the Jones' are up to you certainly spend an awful lot of time on the internet talking about your material wealth and comparing it to what others have - your truck vs my yaris, your tv's vs my hisense as quick examples.  Not to mention wanting to know what I enjoy drinking vs your cognac/bourbon or whatever it was.

I understand you just fine....
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-04-2016, 11:43 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I'm impressed by Trump's aptitude for earning money, and his ability to appeal to a sector of voters with his carefully crafted speech.

I'm a lot smarter than the people he's crafting his speech for, and as such, his sophistry does not fly with me.

Impressed??  Trump was simply born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, and given the responsibility of managing millions of dollars each day.  That's how he grew up, and he did screw up a few times with bankruptcies, but he did manage to stay a billionaire after all. 

For those born with a spoon worth hundreds of millions of dollars in their mouth, all they have to do is stay hyper-social.  That is, be a freaking social butterfly constantly seeking the royal nectar among the rich - which is easy to do if already imbued with such a haughty class/caste status. 

One thing for sure, though, like with the rest of high-up politicians and most of the multi-millionaires out there, they're social slaves.  They have to socialize, socialize, and socialize like hell like 200-300+ days out of the year, with so damn many people.  It's actually rare for a super-rich person to not be so intensely and deeply social.  Life is filled with so much noise, that there is not much time and quietness to really sit back and look at the whole picture from a distance.  One is simply completely swamped with all things social.  It's like "me - you, you - me, me - you, you - me, me - you guys, you guys - me, me - you guys, you guys - me, me - you guys, you guys - me,.........
The entire body is submerged in the concoction of "I'm getting the prize", all the way up to the very nostrils - oh, so very much that one hardly ever has time to step back and genuinely contemplate where the demanding beast of the gold prize itself came from - if it should presently and constantly rule one's own life as to undertaking 90+% of own entire preoccupation throughout daily living - including bedtime dreams.  With such a dis-allowance of personal resignation of say, a few hours of waking hours each day, from being such a busy social bee dealing to-and-fro, is one actually a social slave, in the basest sense of the word, slave?  Is that all one's own life would amount to, in the long run?  Just a bunch of crazy social noise and clamor?  All of that here-and-fro with thousands upon thousands of powerful and demanding people, and many thousands more each month or even each week..?  Could one just go and climb mountains a few days each week in peace without the impossibly heavy social burden weighing down on the shoulders, without being horrendously interrupted by the discordantly excited encounter-ers that largely resonate from a certain nervousness, upon each path in the woods except for the utmost remote parts of the world?  Even a king who has the power to get away at will, to embark on a journey of solace at regular intervals, the king is barely freed from the mental preoccupation of the responsibilities of dealing with such abnormally social life that is so many times more intensive than that of an average patriot.  Every word uttered in one's own wake is not dealt with lightly - every word weighs a ton and hardly escapes being reviewed hundreds of times over with one's own personal reflection.  As a supernova is being seen by thousands of telescope mirrors, the supernova burns with its own inflated ruckus of compulsive reflection.


Hahahahahhaha, Trump!!  You just couldn't handle entering a Foxnews debate!  You want the prize as usual, but you don't want the responsibility, so you're torn apart!
ROFLMAO
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(02-05-2016, 11:54 AM)gstanford Wrote: For somebody who supposedly doesn't care what the Jones' are up to you certainly spend an awful lot of time on the internet talking about your material wealth and comparing it to what others have - your truck vs my yaris, your tv's vs my hisense as quick examples.  Not to mention wanting to know what I enjoy drinking vs your cognac/bourbon or whatever it was.

I understand you just fine....

Hmmmm...

The whole auto debate stemmed from YOU stating "Stack'em high and sell'em cheap" was the way to sell cars in the US, and me pointing out the irrevocable fact the top 3 selling cars in the US are GM, Ram, and Ford trucks that cost over $30,000.

I didn't even know you had a HiSense tv, I was replying to a thread about "brown ice" and "bad color" in SBs tv. I found out in the thread you had a HiSense. I was arguing that HiSense TVs in general are bad based on the reviews, not that my tvs are "good" or luxury. I'd be the first to admit they're mid-range. Like most of the stuff I buy, it's my economic strategy. Maximize the stuff I can buy by purchasing when mid range when I see deals.

The bourbon thing was just part of my lifestyle back then. I used to drink more back then and I would look for quality stuff to drink, and talk about it with my friends. I would never try to "boast" of the liquor I consumed, I've never spent more than $65 on a bottle. (so I'm not a liquor snob saying "you need to try the $300 whiskey, all the other stuff is crap") It was more about finding the best flavor of whiskey/tequila/gin for a reasonable price. You never talked with people about what your favorite beverage is?!

Today is one year to the day since I last had a drink, so I'm probably not talking liquor at all these days. That was years ago.

So again I say, you don't know or understand me at all.
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BTW- trying to show off wealth is a fool's errand.

I'm rich compared to you GStan, but I'm poor compared to a lot of people I know, and they're poor compared to people they know, etc..

You have to be REALLY rich to play that game.
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(02-05-2016, 07:20 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(02-05-2016, 11:54 AM)gstanford Wrote: For somebody who supposedly doesn't care what the Jones' are up to you certainly spend an awful lot of time on the internet talking about your material wealth and comparing it to what others have - your truck vs my yaris, your tv's vs my hisense as quick examples.  Not to mention wanting to know what I enjoy drinking vs your cognac/bourbon or whatever it was.

I understand you just fine....

Hmmmm...

The whole auto debate stemmed from YOU stating "Stack'em high and sell'em cheap" was the way to sell cars in the US, and me pointing out the irrevocable fact the top 3 selling cars in the US are GM, Ram, and Ford trucks that cost over $30,000.

I didn't even know you had a HiSense tv, I was replying to a thread about "brown ice" and "bad color" in SBs tv. I found out in the thread you had a HiSense. I was arguing that HiSense TVs in general are bad based on the reviews, not that my tvs are "good" or luxury. I'd be the first to admit they're mid-range. Like most of the stuff I buy, it's my economic strategy. Maximize the stuff I can buy by purchasing when mid range when I see deals.

The bourbon thing was just part of my lifestyle back then. I used to drink more back then and I would look for quality stuff to drink, and talk about it with my friends. I would never try to "boast" of the liquor I consumed, I've never spent more than $65 on a bottle. (so I'm not a liquor snob saying "you need to try the $300 whiskey, all the other stuff is crap") It was more about finding the best flavor of whiskey/tequila/gin for a reasonable price. You never talked with people about what your favorite beverage is?!

Today is one year to the day since I last had a drink, so I'm probably not talking liquor at all these days. That was years ago.

So again I say, you don't know or understand me at all.

Stack 'em high, sell 'em cheap is a proven strategy mastered by the Japanese and then the Chinese and practiced by them worldwide.

You trashed the HiSense tv's just like you trashed my "cracker box" Yaris. Based off nothing more than online reviews to boot.

My favorite beverage is Milo if you must know. I don't drink alcohol at all, never have and never will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%28drink%29
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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Trump seems to be gaining momentum. Are any of you guys planning on voting for him?
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(02-11-2016, 04:53 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Trump seems to be gaining momentum.  Are any of you guys planning on voting for him?

I'm not voting.

Dems want socialism.

Repubs want taxes for parochial schools, absence of gun regs, abortion outlawed, weird new immigration policies, and no marriage for teh gays.

I'm a man without a candidate.
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There is only one choice for President, Trump says he will stop this:

2-10-2016

Carrier to relocate 1,400 Indianapolis jobs to Mexico


Chris Nelson, president of HVAC Systems and Services North American, issued the following statement:

    “This move is intended to address the challenges we continue to face in a rapidly changing HVAC industry, with the continued migration of the HVAC industry to Mexico, including our suppliers and competitors, and ongoing cost and pricing pressures driven, in part, by new regulatory requirements.

    “Relocating our operations to a region where we have existing infrastructure and a strong supplier base will allow us to operate more cost effectively so that we can continue to produce high-quality HVAC products that are competitively positioned while continuing to meet customer needs.

    “This decision is difficult and we recognize the impact on employees, their families and the community. We are committed to ensuring that our employees are treated respectfully and to working closely with their representatives throughout this transition.”

Mayor Joe Hogsett releases this statement on Carrier’s announcement:

    “Today’s surprise announcement was without warning and incredibly disappointing. While I am obviously concerned about the economic impact, my top priority is the well-being of the hardworking families affected by this decision.

    A job lost in any part of our community affects us all, and I believe these are the times we must come together as one city to lift up our neighbors. That is why this afternoon I will issue an Executive Order to create a task force that will convene local, state, and federal resources and direct every tool at our disposal toward supporting these workers in the days ahead.”
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You're right, the only choice is Donald Trump. The reason is because only he has enough strength of character to say what he wants and to point out what he wants to point out. Mind you, he's not without risk, but he's stronger as a personality than any President in a while.
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I just wish Trump had never opened his fresh mouth. If he did not speak he could have been a great candidate. Now he just looks like a pig headed idiot. You guys have elected pig heads before though. Bush was a real doozie.
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Very interesting map showing different political stances of certain regions of the USA (and Canada) - it goes so far to show individual counties:

[Image: upinarms-map-large.jpg]


Quote:YANKEEDOM. Founded on the shores of Massachusetts Bay by radical Calvinists as a new Zion, Yankeedom has, since the outset, put great emphasis on perfecting earthly civilization through social engineering, denial of self for the common good, and assimilation of outsiders. It has prized education, intellectual achievement, communal empowerment, and broad citizen participation in politics and government, the latter seen as the public’s shield against the machinations of grasping aristocrats and other would-be tyrants. Since the early Puritans, it has been more comfortable with government regulation and public-sector social projects than many of the other nations, who regard the Yankee utopian streak with trepidation.
NEW NETHERLAND. Established by the Dutch at a time when the Netherlands was the most sophisticated society in the Western world, New Netherland has always been a global commercial culture—materialistic, with a profound tolerance for ethnic and religious diversity and an unflinching commitment to the freedom of inquiry and conscience. Like seventeenth-century Amsterdam, it emerged as a center of publishing, trade, and finance, a magnet for immigrants, and a refuge for those persecuted by other regional cultures, from Sephardim in the seventeenth century to gays, feminists, and bohemians in the early twentieth. Unconcerned with great moral questions, it nonetheless has found itself in alliance with Yankeedom to defend public institutions and reject evangelical prescriptions for individual behavior.
THE MIDLANDS. America’s great swing region was founded by English Quakers, who believed in humans’ inherent goodness and welcomed people of many nations and creeds to their utopian colonies like Pennsylvania on the shores of Delaware Bay. Pluralistic and organized around the middle class, the Midlands spawned the culture of Middle America and the Heartland, where ethnic and ideological purity have never been a priority, government has been seen as an unwelcome intrusion, and political opinion has been moderate. An ethnic mosaic from the start—it had a German, rather than British, majority at the time of the Revolution—it shares the Yankee belief that society should be organized to benefit ordinary people, though it rejects top-down government intervention.
TIDEWATER. Built by the younger sons of southern English gentry in the Chesapeake country and neighboring sections of Delaware and North Carolina, Tidewater was meant to reproduce the semifeudal society of the countryside they’d left behind. Standing in for the peasantry were indentured servants and, later, slaves. Tidewater places a high value on respect for authority and tradition, and very little on equality or public participation in politics. It was the most powerful of the American nations in the eighteenth century, but today it is in decline, partly because it was cut off from westward expansion by its boisterous Appalachian neighbors and, more recently, because it has been eaten away by the expanding federal halos around D.C. and Norfolk.
GREATER APPALACHIA. Founded in the early eighteenth century by wave upon wave of settlers from the war-ravaged borderlands of Northern Ireland, northern England, and the Scottish lowlands, Appalachia has been lampooned by writers and screenwriters as the home of hillbillies and rednecks. It transplanted a culture formed in a state of near constant danger and upheaval, characterized by a warrior ethic and a commitment to personal sovereignty and individual liberty. Intensely suspicious of lowland aristocrats and Yankee social engineers alike, Greater Appalachia has shifted alliances depending on who appeared to be the greatest threat to their freedom. It was with the Union in the Civil War. Since Reconstruction, and especially since the upheavals of the 1960s, it has joined with Deep South to counter federal overrides of local preference.
DEEP SOUTH. Established by English slave lords from Barbados, Deep South was meant as a West Indies–style slave society. This nation offered a version of classical Republicanism modeled on the slave states of the ancient world, where democracy was the privilege of the few and enslavement the natural lot of the many. Its caste systems smashed by outside intervention, it continues to fight against expanded federal powers, taxes on capital and the wealthy, and environmental, labor, and consumer regulations.
EL NORTE. The oldest of the American nations, El Norte consists of the borderlands of the Spanish American empire, which were so far from the seats of power in Mexico City and Madrid that they evolved their own characteristics. Most Americans are aware of El Norte as a place apart, where Hispanic language, culture, and societal norms dominate. But few realize that among Mexicans, norteños have a reputation for being exceptionally independent, self-sufficient, adaptable, and focused on work. Long a hotbed of democratic reform and revolutionary settlement, the region encompasses parts of Mexico that have tried to secede in order to form independent buffer states between their mother country and the United States.
THE LEFT COAST. A Chile-shaped nation wedged between the Pacific Ocean and the Cascade and Coast mountains, the Left Coast was originally colonized by two groups: New Englanders (merchants, missionaries, and woodsmen who arrived by sea and dominated the towns) and Appalachian midwesterners (farmers, prospectors, and fur traders who generally arrived by wagon and controlled the countryside). Yankee missionaries tried to make it a “New England on the Pacific,” but were only partially successful. Left Coast culture is a hybrid of Yankee utopianism and Appalachian self-expression and exploration—traits recognizable in its cultural production, from the Summer of Love to the iPad. The staunchest ally of Yankeedom, it clashes with Far Western sections in the interior of its home states.
THE FAR WEST. The other “second-generation” nation, the Far West occupies the one part of the continent shaped more by environmental factors than ethnographic ones. High, dry, and remote, the Far West stopped migrating easterners in their tracks, and most of it could be made habitable only with the deployment of vast industrial resources: railroads, heavy mining equipment, ore smelters, dams, and irrigation systems. As a result, settlement was largely directed by corporations headquartered in distant New York, Boston, Chicago, or San Francisco, or by the federal government, which controlled much of the land. The Far West’s people are often resentful of their dependent status, feeling that they have been exploited as an internal colony for the benefit of the seaboard nations. Their senators led the fight against trusts in the mid-twentieth century. Of late, Far Westerners have focused their anger on the federal government, rather than their corporate masters.
NEW FRANCE. Occupying the New Orleans area and southeastern Canada, New France blends the folkways of ancien régime northern French peasantry with the traditions and values of the aboriginal people they encountered in northeastern North America. After a long history of imperial oppression, its people have emerged as down-to-earth, egalitarian, and consensus driven, among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy. The New French influence is manifest in Canada, where multiculturalism and negotiated consensus are treasured.
FIRST NATION. First Nation is populated by native American groups that generally never gave up their land by treaty and have largely retained cultural practices and knowledge that allow them to survive in this hostile region on their own terms. The nation is now reclaiming its sovereignty, having won considerable autonomy in Alaska and Nunavut and a self-governing nation state in Greenland that stands on the threshold of full independence. Its territory is huge—far larger than the continental United States—but its population is less than 300,000, most of whom live in Canada.
- See more at: http://www.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/fal...Voibb.dpuf
more in the above link
The runner-ups would do well to keep that in mind when trying to win each state..

Ocre would find this interesting - I'm PM'ing him in case he ever comes back.
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2-17-2016 Trump falls to 2nd in Polls, Ted Cruz now Front runner
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LOL, Trump just gonna keep fighting the fun fight until he has to face the stark seriousness.
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Further regarding the "American Nations Today" contrivance of Colin Woodward(?)..   
here's an article expanding on this with more tidbits and a lot more maps:
http://www.unz.com/jman/more-maps-of-the...n-nations/
(edit - and this one:  http://www.unz.com/jman/maps-of-the-american-nations/ )
And Canada as well.

I find the ancestry map particularly interesting - "New Netherland" is actually mostly Italian, like with Italian mobs, lol..
[Image: census-2000-data-top-us-ancestries-by-county-svg.png]
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And...Jeb Bush drops out.
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No matter what you think of Trump not having a Bush running for the Presidency is a GOOD thing! Party
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!
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(02-21-2016, 10:33 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!

When Trump is prez he will build a wall between us and Canada to keep weasel Socialists where they belong. (up in their igloos) Smile

No more heading to New Orleans to look at American titties and guzzle Hurricanes for you SB.

You'll have to go to the log rolling championship, guzzle Molson, and see if any of the lumberjills aren't wearing bras under their flannel.
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Well, it isn't a given that Trump will win. I'm hoping that Hillary will win. Don't particularly like her, but, the sanest and safest of the candidates, and already has knowledge of how to sail the ship.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-21-2016, 11:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: Well, it isn't a given that Trump will win.  I'm hoping that Hillary will win.  Don't particularly like her, but, the sanest and safest of the candidates, and already has knowledge of how to sail the ship.

She tried to do Obamacare before Obama and failed due to lack of supermajority in Congress, which is my main problem with her. Socialist.

Also, if she's elected into Republican majority Congress, 4 more years of nothing gets done.

We need to take on the Social Security issue:

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/plan...rity-fixes

Just a 1% bump over 20 years and removing the cap removes over 80% of the shortfall by 2033, this needs to get done, pronto.

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/plan...rity-fixes

(a form of socialism I'm in favor of- people who paid in their whole lives should get back what they expect, and it's all a LOT of Americans have in retirement)
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(02-21-2016, 10:33 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!


The Electoral College Delegates have already said Trump has the Presidency locked up.
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(02-21-2016, 11:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: Well, it isn't a given that Trump will win. I'm hoping that Hillary will win. Don't particularly like her, but, the sanest and safest of the candidates, and already has knowledge of how to sail the ship.
And a whole lot of dishonesty too, as well as misuse of personal email accounts that jeopardized national security.
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(02-21-2016, 11:31 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:
(02-21-2016, 10:33 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!


The Electoral College Delegates have already said Trump has the Presidency locked up.

If so, Obamacare was a very short experiment:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/270...re-mandate
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No more dishonest than any other politician. It tends not to be a virtue they focus on.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-21-2016, 11:34 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(02-21-2016, 11:31 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:
(02-21-2016, 10:33 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!


The Electoral College Delegates have already said Trump has the Presidency locked up.

If so, Obamacare was a very short experiment:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/270...re-mandate


Trump said he is OK with the Mandate that they would just make amendments to appease the Republican base.

Basically would just do enough to say he did away with Obamacare but it still exists.
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So Dave just so I understand this, you are voting for Trump? Even people with progressive views like you support Trump?
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I didn't say that but know many that are including a Super Delegate.
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(01-29-2016, 12:32 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I ordered off an ipad at LaGuardia airport recently, but someone still had to cook and bring me my food.

GStan's "I Robot" future won't be arriving in 2016.

The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036.

AFAIK the "learning" they do is created by inputs their original programmers had to code for.

GStan has been watching The Terminator movies too much and dreaming about the great robot takeover.





Watch out for those lasers GStan!

I don't need to watch out for the lasers, Rollo, but maybe you do?

Meet the latest version of Atlas, from Boston Dynamics. The future is coming - much, much faster than you can possibly imagine. Won't be long before Atlas is cooking and serving for you at LaGuardia - the airport doesn't need to pay him wages!

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/d...dal-robot/

https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-24-2016, 05:03 PM)gstanford Wrote:
(01-29-2016, 12:32 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I ordered off an ipad at LaGuardia airport recently, but someone still had to cook and bring me my food.

GStan's "I Robot" future won't be arriving in 2016.

The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036.

AFAIK the "learning" they do is created by inputs their original programmers had to code for.

GStan has been watching The Terminator movies too much and dreaming about the great robot takeover.





Watch out for those lasers GStan!

I don't need to watch out for the lasers, Rollo, but maybe you do?

Meet the latest version of Atlas, from Boston Dynamics.  The future is coming - much, much faster than you can possibly imagine.  Won't be long before Atlas is cooking and serving for you at LaGuardia - the airport doesn't need to pay him wages!

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/d...dal-robot/

https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY

While that is impressive, I've never stated robots can't do simple things like move boxes.

You stated robots will be building and programming themselves, which is not going to happen this generation, or the next. (ever?)

GStan's nightmare:





Hmmm they do talk about parts made in Japan. Did Sony tell you Mr Roboto is coming soon GStan?
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Atlas is moving those boxes autonomously and walking through the snow autonomously and opening doors and walking through them autonomously and getting back up when pushed over autonomously.

No human help, he is making those decisions all by himself on the fly based on what he has learned previously.

Nothing to do with Japan. Boston Dynamics is an American company, wholly owned by Google.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-24-2016, 06:19 PM)gstanford Wrote: Atlas is moving those boxes autonomously and walking through the snow autonomously and opening doors and walking through them autonomously and getting back up when pushed over autonomously.

No human help, he is making those decisions all by himself on the fly based on what he has learned previously.

Nothing to do with Japan.  Boston Dynamics is an American company, wholly owned by Google.

Walking and moving boxes is "little" easier than coding and fabricating machines that fabricate machines.

Rolleyes
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LOL, GStan logic:

"Holy crap! That device can walk and pick up boxes! Soon it will be mining metal, creating alloys, creating plastic, creating microchips, writing computer code, buildng factories to create clones of itself! I'd better stock up on food and head for the hills to hide from our robot overlords!"

All because it can chase a barcoded box.

ROFLMAO
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Trivialize it all you like. Won't stop the progress from happening and at a far faster rate than you could dream of.

As recent as June last year most robots couldn't come close to what Atlas is doing now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFkrwagYfc

And not long before that they couldn't do these things at all without big umbilical tethers to PC's.

Who knows what Atlas will be capable of in 6 months time. More than what you will give him credit for, that is for certain.

You better make sure he can't find your workplace, you might be retiring earlier than you expected!
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(02-24-2016, 06:51 PM)gstanford Wrote: Trivialize it all you like.  Won't stop the progress from happening and at a far faster rate than you could dream of.

As recent as June last year most robots couldn't come close to what Atlas is doing now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFkrwagYfc

And not long before that they couldn't do these things at all without big umbilical tethers to PC's.

Who knows what Atlas will be capable of in 6 months time.  More than what you will give him credit for, that is for certain.

You better make sure he can't find your workplace, you might be retiring earlier than you expected!

Oh, I can dream of robots that can pick up boxes and walk around. I'd think they could do more complex stuff than that actually.

It's hilarious you see this as evidence they'll be self aware and reproducing soon.

When I was in college 30 years ago I saw monkeys doing far more complex things than Atlas. Last I checked they haven't replaced anyone yet.
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Go watch the video again.  Atlas walked through the snow on uneven terrain unassisted (a challenging task for some humans), Atlas opened doors unassisted (without ripping/slamming them off of their hinges) and moved through them unassisted.  Atlas picked himself up unassisted when forcibly overbalanced.

And, of course, Atlas was able to handle boxes and track them unassisted.  Trust me when I tell you countless people in this world do little more than handle boxes for their employment.  There are quite a few warehouses and supermarkets on the face of this planet.

Sure there is probably a little way to go yet (with the emphasis on little) but it is amazing how much Atlas is already capable of without help given that just 6 months back most of his peers could not remain standing on their own.
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(01-29-2016, 05:19 AM)gstanford Wrote:
Rollo Wrote:The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036
You don't know that!  I'll bet you are dead wrong and that they are actually doing so well before then!

You said robots would be building and programming themselves in 20 years.

A. Robots don't do anything "by themselves".
B. If they did, the skills and dexterity needed to do everything involved in manufacturing robots are light years beyond moving boxes.
C. If they had the intellectual and fine motor skills to complete all the tasks involved, robots lack money to buy factories and raw materials.
D. More flaws I'm not going to spend the time to think of.

No one doubts that people who move boxes or run a drill press are in danger of losing their jobs to robots, that's been going on for decades.

What we're discussing is your laughable assertion robots will be building themselves from the ground up within 20 years.
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Robot Boss: Build a microprocessor capable of self directed action, electrical and mechanical engineering, and computer programming! I command it!

Robot Flunkie: I am sorry boss, I can only walk or move a box. I did learn how to reset course if misdirected, is that like building microprocessors?

ROFLMAO
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You are asking way too much.  Most humans can't produce that for you.

Automated circuit layout is a thing though (AMD loves it, that is a bit part of why bulldozer and its offspring suck so badly), the robot could certainly be given the knowledge to produce a die plan from circuit designs you provide.
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(02-25-2016, 08:38 PM)gstanford Wrote: You are asking way too much.  Most humans can't produce that for you.

Automated circuit layout is a thing though (AMD loves it, that is a bit part of why bulldozer and its offspring suck so badly), the robot could certainly be given the knowledge to produce a die plan from circuit designs you provide.

"I" am not asking that at all. I'm replying to you saying this would be going on within 20 years, as quoted. (twice)

Yes most humans can't do a lot of the stuff necessary to make even Atlas. The odds Atlas is going to be making Atlas in 20 years a very, very low.
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