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11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency
The thing is, Trump won fair and square. There is no questioning this. With Clinton, the hacked emails showed that she was propped up by the Democratic party as the leader. Sanders didn't even have a chance.
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(11-12-2016, 11:52 PM)SickBeast Wrote: The thing is, Trump won fair and square.  There is no questioning this.  With Clinton, the hacked emails showed that she was propped up by the Democratic party as the leader.  Sanders didn't even have a chance.

When you look at the map of states he won, it's pretty obvious who most of the country preferred.
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(11-13-2016, 05:11 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(11-12-2016, 11:52 PM)SickBeast Wrote: The thing is, Trump won fair and square.  There is no questioning this.  With Clinton, the hacked emails showed that she was propped up by the Democratic party as the leader.  Sanders didn't even have a chance.

When you look at the map of states he won, it's pretty obvious who most of the country preferred.

Well you're from Wisconsin. Who did you vote for? The state went red by quite a bit.

The only real troubling thing about the election is that the FBI really did influence it. They should have conducted that last investigation privately. It was wrapped up within a few days anyways and she was cleared. They really damaged Clinton's campaign badly, right at the last minute.
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(11-13-2016, 05:13 AM)SickBeast Wrote:
(11-13-2016, 05:11 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(11-12-2016, 11:52 PM)SickBeast Wrote: The thing is, Trump won fair and square.  There is no questioning this.  With Clinton, the hacked emails showed that she was propped up by the Democratic party as the leader.  Sanders didn't even have a chance.

When you look at the map of states he won, it's pretty obvious who most of the country preferred.

Well you're from Wisconsin.  Who did you vote for?  The state went red by quite a bit.

The only real troubling thing about the election is that the FBI really did influence it.  They should have conducted that last investigation privately.  It was wrapped up within a few days anyways and she was cleared.  They really damaged Clinton's campaign badly, right at the last minute.

I voted for Billary, first Dem I ever voted for. I do not like Billary, but she does have a ton of experience in government (some of it bad) and Trump had none. Trump's wall seemed wacko to me, as did his stance on seemingly all Hispanic and Muslim folk.

And of course Billary is a socialist.

It was a pretty crappy election for me, usually the Republican candidates are more level headed and I can at least vote anti- socialism without feeling too bad about it.
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Well it's going to be an interesting 4 years under Trump, that's for sure. It's really going to affect us in Canada quite a bit. It looks like he will seriously boost the economy in Alberta, however the economy in Ontario might tank. We will see. I don't think it will be easy for him to rip up NAFTA.
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(11-13-2016, 05:13 AM)SickBeast Wrote: The only real troubling thing about the election is that the FBI really did influence it.  They should have conducted that last investigation privately.  It was wrapped up within a few days anyways and she was cleared.  They really damaged Clinton's campaign badly, right at the last minute.
Well. The dip that the fbi letter caused..thats just a scapegoat in my opinion.

Trump was extremely down, pretty much at his lowest the weeks coming into the final haul.
There was this uptick though. And it was before the fbi letter, he had a turn and his campaign was on a rise in polling. He was coming up and that was a surprise. Be it his discipline or the nonstop rallies...he was moving back up.

Then the fbi letter, which was a wave for sure. This seemed like a big turn around for trump. But the uptick had already started before the FBI news.

I cant really see how its all blamed on the fbi letter now though because the following week we all saw Hillary spring back up in polling to bounce back up higher than she was before the letter. And the weekend before the election, she gained all lost ground and then some..as far as the polls showed. Her lead was solid before the sunday reversal of the fbi, when officially announced there were no new charges coming.

trumps wind from the fbi letter came and went before the fbi retracted, and the polls showed that hillary had surged to a very modest lead. They were predicting hillary winning across the board, many saying 99% chance and she was projected as high as 390 electorates.

There was no hint the fbi hurt her chances as we came up on the eve of the election.

Then the votes come in. And its just unbelievable to so many. Sites that project had crazy charts showing hillary at the top of a line graph and trump bottomed at 1% chance. But about 9pm, in the line graphs these lines took straight up and fown angles, by 10:30est it was looking like an 80% chance of trump victory. By 11, it was 90.

Anyway, no one was expecting such a thing. There was no one reading the polls correctly. See, the shy trump voter was most likely always there...just not counted for some time. And the reason they become shy? I think it was the non stop media blitz, it was so much and so hard. People have been eating the bull shit and drinking the koolaid for so long...They really were tired of it. And all the media blitz accomplished..

Instead of turning potential trump voters away, it only turned them away from being open about it. It just pushed them to not say or speak up..heck, look at what trump supporters got labled as throughout this election..and sadly, after.

This is the result of their own doing. They went far to far with their over the top claims. All the riots were induced. The race tensions, induced.

Claims trump is racist because the birther claim..its somehow considered racist..

Even though the harvard records and an obama book he had written were just two sources sighting his birthplace in kenya. Even though Hillary clintons 08 campaign really was the beginning of this birther claim.

It had nothing to do with race, not at all. At worst, right wing propaganda. But its the insistence of turning things such as this into racism cries that cause people to shut it all out.
They were saying trump was involved in all kinds of sexual assault and rape acts, painting then as if they were legitimate and criminal issues..But..
These were never brought to any law enforcement. This was insane. How do you sue or threaten to sue when you have been sexually assulted, thats a criminal crime that puts the offender behind bars. But none of them were brought to a real prosecuter..because falsely accusing sexual assult is a crime.

All these wild claims, and they were threating civil cases..to sue trump. None were charges, real criminal charges like the Clintons have been involved in so many.

The people saw thru it
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Oh, and I didn't vote so its not like I am defending my position.

My state went red anyway, like the 90% of all the states
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Here's the thing about the investigations:

If Billary hadn't opted to use private (instead of federal) email for her business as Sec of State, and then deleted emails, none of the investigations would have happened.

The FBI director said she was either criminal or incredibly inept.

Do Ivy League lawyers who have also been Senators seem likely to make, "Haha Louie the Janitor forgot to put water in his mop bucket" type mistakes?

Not so much.

Did someone just forget to tell Billary, "Gosh Billary, don 't use your NetZero GMail account for classified emails"?

Not likely.

I voted for Billary, but the above and the way she's lived her life (husband cheats on her with everyone with a pulse, the sordid details on prime time TV, and she sticks with him), did not make it easy. HS dropout sticks with serial cheater husband and sets bad example for daughter (and women in general), I feel sorry for her. Millionaire lawyer sticks with serial cheater husband because of lust for political power, I can only feel disgust.

I've told my son,"If you're unlucky enough that your wife cheats on you, you need to move on. Once a cheater, always a cheater. If you seriously want to cheat on your wife, show her the respect she showed you and end you marriage first.". Maybe Billary didn't have parents?
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So many in the FBI are incredibly furious. There was more than enough for clinton to be prosecuted. But they could not do to a cooked system that set out to protect her from day one.

The troubling facts are many. Its just unbelievably terrible. The private email was not a mistake or accident. It was intentional. This is not debatable. The intent was absolutely there.

The clinton foundation was a conflict of interest and yet she not only participated in pay to play thru the foundation, she done this as secretary of state. Its unbelievable, the integrity of our nation..shame on us.

The private email server was used not for convenience but for corrupt purposes. It hid away the state departments direct link with the clinton foundation.

If the fact that Clinton personally runs a corrupt foundation wasnt enough, the lines of that foundation and her as secretary of state blurred. And that is disgusting for a country that calls itself, leaders of the world.

Clinton broke the law and should have been prosecuted. But, they fbi did not. Many feel that there was a powerful force that stopped it.

The announcement that the case wasnt over, that they were once again looking into it, I believe this happened because there was a major issue. There were different people looking at wieners laptop and for different reasons. They stumbled on Hillary private server emails and this was not only a shock but a huge problem. I dont think that anyone tried to influence the election, I believe there was fear that had people in all out panic.

They eventually put the lid on this and once again we were told there would be no charges. I think the fact that obama himself was not only aware of this enail server but also communicated thru it, that this may have something to do with the pressure in the fbi. There is also the fact that obama was ready and willing to set Hillary free no matter what the charges that might be brought to her. To keep the fact that the US was corrupt all the way in the highest levels, that is a bargaining chip like no other. National security.
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(11-13-2016, 07:55 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Here's the thing about the investigations:

If Billary hadn't opted to use private (instead of federal) email for her business as Sec of State, and then deleted emails, none of the investigations would have happened.

The FBI director said she was either criminal or incredibly inept.

Do Ivy League lawyers who have also been Senators seem likely to make, "Haha Louie the Janitor forgot to put water in his mop bucket" type mistakes?

Not so much.

Did someone just forget to tell Billary, "Gosh Billary, don 't use your NetZero GMail account for classified emails"?

Not likely.

I voted for Billary,  but the above and the way she's lived her life (husband cheats on her with everyone with a pulse, the sordid details on prime time TV, and she sticks with him), did not make it easy. HS dropout sticks with serial cheater husband and sets bad example for daughter (and women in general), I feel sorry for her. Millionaire lawyer sticks with serial cheater husband because of lust for political power, I can only feel disgust.

I've told my son,"If you're unlucky enough that your wife cheats on you, you need to move on. Once a cheater, always a cheater. If you seriously want to cheat on your wife, show her the respect she showed you and end you marriage first.". Maybe Billary didn't have parents?

People marry for all sorts of reasons, especially the rich and powerful. Love rarely has anything to do with it. It is more about social status and the power the other person brings.

I suspect that Hillary and Bill have that sort of marriage and after Hillary produced a child she didn't much care what Bill did to get his jollies (though I'm sure she would have preferred him to be rather more discrete than he was/is).
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(11-15-2016, 09:03 AM)gstanford Wrote: People marry for all sorts of reasons, especially the rich and powerful.  Love rarely has anything to do with it.  It is more about social status and the power the other person brings.

I suspect that Hillary and Bill have that sort of marriage and after Hillary produced a child she didn't much care what Bill did to get his jollies (though I'm sure she would have preferred him to be rather more discrete than he was/is).


Gstan, I have to ask:

Do you actually know any rich and powerful people?

The reason I ask is: I know some millionaires, but they are basically folks like you and me who got degrees in professions where you can earn a lot of cash. They're not what I would consider the "rich and powerful" but they marry and divorce for the same reasons you or I do.

Why do you think the rich and powerful marry like business mergers? They're already rich and powerful, could be they just marry other rich and powerful people because that's who they meet and associate with?

Old "birds of a feather" thing? You hang out with the other battlers most likely, I mostly know other working class "uni, then job" folks, they likely hang around other wealthy people.

You could be right, but it doesn't make sense to me. You'd think they would want spouses they're attracted to and want to spend time with like the rest of us, for the same reasons. "Well, Ethel is a mean tempered, malodorous hag, but it's better to be worth $300m than $200m so I guess I'll close my eyes and remember my college GF while we do it"?

Doesn't seem likely for people that don't really have to settle in life.

Bill and Billary were both lawyers when they married, Bill was elected State's Atty general the next year. They weren't rich then. They didn't get rich until their foundation.
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Rolleyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience
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(11-15-2016, 07:25 PM)gstanford Wrote: Rolleyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_convenience

So you don't actually "know" any rich and powerful people, but because you saw an article on Wikipedia that some people get married to skirt some laws you assume rich and powerful people are typically doing stuff like this?

Hit_head

Let me give you some hints GStan:

A. If you're rich and powerful, you likely don't have to settle for anything less then a person you are attracted to, and want to spend your life with. If you live under a bridge, your selection of wives is likely limited. If you live in a mansion, you don't need a sham marriage to get ahead and have a big selection.

B. Bill and Billary weren't rich when they married, but they certainly are both rich enough these days that Billary doesn't have to put up with Bill. If your wife had $20m and was on tv getting chastised for her sexual antics in her office, new lover every week, would YOU stay with her? Even for a new Yaris and a 4K HiSense? I doubt it. So Billary makes no sense to me, unless these runs at the presidency meant more to her than her dignity.

I kind of feel sorry for Billary, although multimillionaire lawyers certainly have no need or use for my sorry ass sympathy.
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I know that rich and powerful people (and even those who aren't rich and powerful) do this all the time.

You are the clueless one here, not me, just like your PS4 Pro crossfire assertions amongst many other idiocies you spout.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

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(11-16-2016, 05:41 AM)gstanford Wrote: I know that rich and powerful people (and even those who aren't rich and powerful) do this all the time.

You are the clueless one here, not me, just like your PS4 Pro crossfire assertions amongst many other idiocies you spout.

I've never met anyone who has done this. Must be more common in Australia and/or the battlers.

BTW if you don't know any rich and powerful people, how do you know what they do? Did you read it in the tabloids?
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Somewhere in Tasmania, a Yaris cruises through a neighborhood of 8 bedroom homes.

Inside the Yaris:

GStan: "Missus GStan, the blokes in that house are daft! Marrying for money to afford that wanker house!"

Mrs. GStan: "But GStan, they're just people like us. Don't you think they'd rather live with someone they at least like?!"

GStan: Don't get stroppy! I'm telling you, I saw the cops detaining them on the Wikipedia!
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My family is rich and somewhat powerful, and I marry good looks and good pussy. Love is a bonus. Tongue
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Can I watch?
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(11-11-2016, 06:57 AM)ocre Wrote: I believe you both are talking about different perspectives.

Of course Australia is important to the US, in a major way...in many major ways. Politically, militarily, as well as a range of other interest.

But what rollo says is also true.  As far as the everyday American prospective, its probably one of the least talked about nations.  We have bases and treaties all over the world gstan.  Thousands of them.  No one studies them, not in the general population.  It may be a surprise to you but the US population does not have interest at all in the countless treaties spanning the entire globe.  See, we have relationships everywhere. And as far as where I live, no one talks about Australia. No more than they would iceland or greenland.

Unless there is something big pertaining to Australia on the news.  Like the missing malaysia flight, there was a Australian team who thought they found signs of the vanishing plane.  And for that team, there was conversation and discussion which mentioned Australia..at least on the news and in the papers. But, even still the general population did not speak much about it. There just arent too many who even talk news these news, we all are much more involved in our lives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

USA may have bases around the globe but none of them can replace Pine Gap.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/australia-...sor2j.html

http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=1015642891

Quote:The "certain physical assets" Scanlan spoke of aren't Australian navy ships at Garden Island or US Marines near Darwin.

He was talking about the Pine Gap satellite ground station outside Alice Springs. If any country were to launch a nuclear attack on the US, America would receive its first warning through Pine Gap.

The US network of satellites that "stares" at the Eurasian land mass looking for the tell-tale flare of a nuclear missile launch sends its findings to the Pine Gap base.

This is the indispensable communication conduit that the US depends on in the event that North Korea, Russia, China or Iran should decide to strike.

It is the quiet core of the Australian alliance with the US, the only essential US asset in Australia that it could not replace with some other facility in some other place.

The US has thought about replacing it.  A former senior CIA official told me in the 1990s with casual confidence that if ever Australia became politically "unreliable", the US could replicate its functions by simply putting up another satellite.

The Americans did later flirt with doing exactly that, but the physics of replacing of Pine Gap with a satellite proved impossible, according to informed officials.
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GStan, no one ever said the base was of no importance.

What we said is that a person in the states goes for months, if not years, never hearing of Australia or talking about Australia.

Not many of us go there because even with modern air travel it's basically like crossing the ocean on a sailing ship.

You don't export us any products I ever use or see advertised.

There are some Aussie movie stars, but it's not like they're always talking about Australia.

We never see news from Australia, you guys don't exactly shape world events.

They don't teach us much about you in school.

We're all aware of your existence, and I think most of us have a vague idea that it's a beautiful country and a nice place to live, but you're so far away you might as well be in outer space. Moving there would mean rarely seeing the rest of your family, and vacationing there takes 4 days travel time and the worst jet lag possible.

Not to mention the cost is beyond what most can afford for vacations.

Do you guys actually talk about the US? I assume you consume some of our entertainment and products (E.G. tech) but does anyone there talk about what the US is up to in our politics or global affairs?
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We do watch what the USA does politically and in global affairs, mostly because of how much our governments have come to rely on the ANZUS treaty at the expense of relationships with other countries like Britain and Europe.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

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(11-16-2016, 06:50 PM)gstanford Wrote: We do watch what the USA does politically and in global affairs, mostly because of how much our governments have come to rely on the ANZUS treaty at the expense of relationships with other countries like Britain and Europe.

It must amuse you to see we have Senators like this guy.





He probably voted for the treaty to save you guys from tipping over and sliding into the ocean.
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Fascinating article:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/%...li=AAggNb9

Quote:The greatest political scandal in American history was not Aaron Burr’s shooting of Alexander Hamilton, and perhaps wasn’t even Watergate. Rather it may have been Richard Nixon’s secret efforts in 1968 to sabotage a U.S. diplomatic effort to end the Vietnam War.

Nixon’s initiative, long rumored but confirmed only a few months ago, was meant to improve his election chances that year. After Nixon won, the war dragged on and cost thousands of additional American and Vietnamese lives; it’s hard to see his behavior as anything but treason.

Now the F.B.I. confirms that we have had an investigation underway for eight months into whether another presidential campaign colluded with a foreign power so as to win an election. To me, that, too, would amount to treason.

I really hope they can get to the bottom of this.  The whole situation does not sit well with me, at all.
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Regardless of went on behind the closed doors as they always do there was no way Hillary was going to get in.

The left will not get over the fact Trump is President.
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Quote:it’s hard to see his behavior as anything but treason.
Um, I don't think prolonging a war is defined as treason. As per Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
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Fascinating article:

http://gizmodo.com/what-time-is-the-new-...1794323131

I was wondering why the price of gas has skyrocketed lately. This could be the reason.
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I encourage all of you to watch this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/j...index.html

In the past I have been very hard on John McCain, calling him "McSame" and such when there was talk of him becoming president. However I have a new found and profound respect for the man as of today. I don't think I have ever seen a better speech from an American politician. I would hope that regardless of your political stripes you can see his genuine desire to make his country better, across party lines.

In retrospect McCain may have been one of the greatest Republican presidents had he been nominated.
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I voted for McCain, although it troubled me to do so. Not because of any problem with him, just general fear of any possibility tea party goof Sarah Palin had of becoming POTUS.

McCain was pretty old then, and President Palin would have been disaster.
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Don't worry there is more than enough stupidity to go around even without Sarah Palin (how Trump didn't wind up nominating her for some role is beyond me given his propensity for putting idiots and yes men in top jobs).

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017...-minister/

Quote:ast week, US Department of Energy Secretary Rick Perry took a phone call from two men he thought were the Ukrainian Prime Minister and his translator. But the 22-minute-long phone call was actually two Russian pranksters, Vladimir “Vovan” Kuznetsov and Alexei “Lexus” Stolyarov, otherwise known as the “Jerky Boys of Russia,” in the style of an American prank call duo from the 1990s, according to Bloomberg.

Quote:According to the Washington Post, the duo played it straight the whole time, including during a part of the call when Kuznetsov and Stolyarov told Perry that Ukrainian President Poroshenko had invented a new biofuel out of pig manure and alcohol.

It must be a laugh a minute in the Kremlin with Trump and his bumbling stooges attempting to run the show in the USA.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

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Here you go Rollo, a gift from your buddy Trump:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/26/technolo...index.html

Sounds like a big deal for Wisconsin. I applaud moves like this.
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It has to actually happen. Like the article says, Foxconn promised a Pennsylvania factory years ago and it hasn't happened.

anyone can talk the talk and Trump is a master of Talk, but its walking the walk that actually counts and both Trump and Foxconn are glued to the ground so far.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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Unbelievable.  Trump essentially came out as a white supremacist today.  My mind has been completely blown.  I can't say I'm surprised but he has confirmed my absolute worst fears.  I feel bad for you guys down in the USA.  This could get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.  This presidency has the potential to become an unmitigated disaster.  Worse than W Bush.  I never would have imagined this.
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