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Supreme Court backs Barack Obama's healthcare legacy
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Big Grin 
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-supreme-c...hy1xq.html

http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=997601102

Quote:US President Barack Obama has just enjoyed perhaps the best day of his second term in the midst of a week that could decide his place in history.

On Thursday the US Supreme Court rejected a challenge to Obamacare by six votes to three – an overwhelming ruling in a court as divided as US society – cementing into place Obama's most significant domestic achievement.

As Vice-President Joe Biden infamously described the passage of the original law, "this is a big f…ing deal", and Obama was not about to let the victory pass unmarked.

He soon appeared before reporters at the White House and said that since Obamacare had been put in place by Congress it had survived 50 votes to repeal it, two Supreme Court challenges and a presidential election.

Obamacare, like social security was now woven into the fabric of the nation. More than 16 million more people had access to health insurance as a result of the law, and the number of uninsured had dropped by one third even as healthcare costs had seen their lowest rate of inflation in a generation.

Whatever other achievements or failures may in future be attributed to him, this will make Obama a significant president at least to his own party, which has been trying to extend health coverage to more Americans since the Truman administration after World War II.

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Posted this especially for Rollo! [Image: wave.gif] [Image: party.gif] [Image: taunt.gif]
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#2
This was yesterday's news, today's news is even bigger. It's 2015 and the Supreme Court says all people are equal.
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#3
Yay!

All of us people who actually work for a living and invested in ourselves to get ahead in life get to buy health insurance for hobos who choose not to work, like Apoppin.

Can't get any fairer than that! Hobos say "We don't want to work! Give us your money stupid workers!" and Obama Hood uses the government to steal from the rest of us.

Oh well, if a Republican is the next president, the hobos are going to have to go back to taking an aspirin and hoping it gets better. Those of us who work for a living aren't inclined to share with those who won't. We actually don't care if they rot.
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#4
I knew you would be delighted!

Try learning to care about the society you live in and having some compassion for your fellow man!
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

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(06-26-2015, 11:06 PM)gstanford Wrote: I knew you would be delighted!

Try learning to care about the society you live in and having some compassion for your fellow man!

I have plenty of compassion for the very old, the very young, the disabled and the temporarily unemployed.

I have no compassion for "people" who could work and choose not to, AND take from people who do.

Under what theory of "justice" are they owed anything others work to earn?

Pffft.

Does DAVE get free healthcare? No.

Does Ocre get free healthcare? No.

Does Rollo get free healthcare? No.

Why should some dumbass who says,"I want to buy and sell stuff on Ebay!" for a living while living in his mom's basement be able to steal from us?

That fuck up should grow a pair, man up, and get a job like the rest of us. And if he doesn't, he should get exactly what he's earned from life.

Was a time in this country a man would rather cut off his hand than hold it out to beg for what another man earned.

Not many men around anymore. Lots of whining, begging children who are older than 18.
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(06-26-2015, 11:29 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-26-2015, 11:06 PM)gstanford Wrote: I knew you would be delighted!

Try learning to care about the society you live in and having some compassion for your fellow man!

I have plenty of compassion for the very old, the very young, the disabled and the temporarily unemployed.

I have no compassion for "people" who could work and choose not to, AND take from people who do.

Under what theory of "justice" are they owed anything others work to earn?

Pffft.

Does DAVE get free healthcare? No.

Does Ocre get free healthcare? No.

Does Rollo get free healthcare? No.

Why should some dumbass who says,"I want to buy and sell stuff on Ebay!" for a living while living in his mom's basement be able to steal from us?

That fuck up should grow a pair, man up, and get a job like the rest of us. And if he doesn't, he should get exactly what he's earned from life.

Was a time in this country a man would rather cut off his hand than hold it out to beg for what another man earned.

Not many men around anymore. Lots of whining, begging children who are older than 18.

That's not the only ones that were locked out of Healthcare.

People with pre-existing conditions such as Diabetes that they were born with were locked out like my cousin.
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(06-27-2015, 02:13 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: That's not the only ones that were locked out of Healthcare.

People with pre-existing conditions such as Diabetes that they were born with were locked out like my cousin.

This is a great example of how Obama "could" have done some really great for health care.

If he had stuck with the parts like denial of coverage, coverage for college age kids people would have hailed him as a hero.

Instead he divided and enraged the nation.
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(06-27-2015, 07:21 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-27-2015, 02:13 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: That's not the only ones that were locked out of Healthcare.

People with pre-existing conditions such as Diabetes that they were born with were locked out like my cousin.

This is a great example of how Obama "could" have done some really great for health care.

If he had stuck with the parts like denial of coverage, coverage for college age kids people would have hailed him as a hero.

Instead he divided and enraged the nation.

Really? You don't blame the Corporations that created the situation? Why?
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#9
Loyal toadies like Rollo never blame their masters.....

Rollo will probably be like all the other enraged Republicans at the moment, time for a witch-hunt against the depraved SCOTUS, den of progressive socialist iniquity!

I'm just waiting on him to change his avatar to the confederate flag.......
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

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(06-27-2015, 12:34 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote: Really? You don't blame the Corporations that created the situation? Why?


Some facts:

1. When Obamacare was signed into law, 86% of Americans had some form of health insurance, and we had about 7% unemployment. Most of this insurance was provided by "corporations".
2. Polls of the American people have never showed a majority wanted socialized health care. People were literally rioting when it was approved.
3. The midterm election after Obamacare was approved was the largest shift in power since WW2. Similar results in the next mid term election. Democrat governors, representatives, and senators have been thrown out of office across the land in backlash against Obama, even in traditionally Democratic states and districts.

The system we had largely worked. Obamacare looks at the problem in the wrong way.

The problem is NOT that we have people who want to work as prostitutes, car jackers, dope dealers, or run benchmarks on video games to get a free video card and some ad revenues and they need health insurance. Those people don't deserve health insurance.

The problem is that we lost a lot of living wage jobs to outsourcing due to government regulations and the labor movement pricing their product (low skill labor) far above it's value. Believe it or not a guy yanking on a drill press handle does not deserve to earn more than a teacher or accountant. That guy does deserve $30-$40K, a HMO, some vacation/sick time,and a 401K.

What Obummer "should" have done is routed that money through corporations to subsidize wages and benefits at low skills jobs. That way, the people collecting the benefits would be part of the economic system, not a drain on it.

Do I care if Apoppin gets free healthcare for standing on the assembly line making athletic socks or hoodies for my kid to wear? And his labor supports not only Apoppin but higher skilled people as the white collar jobs at his sock factory? Not at all.

Do I care if Apoppin says "Yay, thanks to Obama I can play web reviewer and steal money from guys with real jobs.". You bet, and I bet most of the American people agree with me.

It is not the governments function to set the benefit package of employment.

(06-27-2015, 01:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: Loyal toadies like Rollo never blame their masters.....

Rollo will probably be like all the other enraged Republicans at the moment, time for a witch-hunt against the depraved SCOTUS, den of progressive socialist iniquity!

I'm just waiting on him to change his avatar to the confederate flag.......

What do my views on socialized medicine have to do the confederacy? Fail.
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Quote:Polls of the American people have never showed a majority wanted socialized health care. People were literally rioting when it was approved.
Bullshit! ordinary people were celebrating, Corporations and Republicans were the ones rioting about it being approved.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(06-27-2015, 05:18 PM)gstanford Wrote:
Quote:Polls of the American people have never showed a majority wanted socialized health care. People were literally rioting when it was approved.
Bullshit!  ordinary people were celebrating, Corporations and Republicans were the ones rioting about it being approved.

More GStanford fail.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/236...l-ticks-up

Quote:The public's approval of ObamaCare has risen slightly, leading to the narrowest gap between favorable and unfavorable opinion since the core of the law came into effect in 2013, according to a new poll.

The poll from the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation finds that 41 percent of the public has a favorable view of the law, while 43 percent has an unfavorable view. That is the narrowest divide since the fall of 2012.

The majority of people polled immediately in the year before Obummercare passed did not want it, and that has not changed since.

The results of the midterm elections are public record, as is Obummers approval rating, which is below 50% and pretty much always has been. Term average 47% vs 53% for all US presidents since 1938:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack...roval.aspx

It's not corporations answering polls and electing Republicans GStanford.
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#13
Whatever you want to tell yourself Rollo. Voting isn't compulsary in the USA. I wonder how much the people voting Republican have been paid to do so?

Obama has achieved more than Shrub could ever dream of doing.

* Got rid of Osama Bin Laden (a pet Shrub project)

* Brought in fair health insurance

* Gay marriage constitutionally recognised under his administration

* Internet reform through the FCC

and much more.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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#14
The part that might really throw Rollo for a loop.................

The insurance companies all cash in on obamacare, big pharma all cash in on obamacare, hospitals.............they all cash in on obamacare. T
The stance that the republicans took against it, it was all for show. They had no real drive against it, they just tried to capitalize on the hate and fear mongering.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...-1.2271001
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topofthet...story.html
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2...-obamacare
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/us/pol....html?_r=0

The truth is that everyone wins with obamacare..........on a corporate level!
Yes, it is a huge win for them. Of course, the magic in all this is how well Americans are fooled.

The loosers are the middle class. They now have to pay for all the uninsured people. They have to pay the subsidies while the hospitals, insurance companies, and Big pharma laugh all the way to the bank.

Then some might ask, what about this hospital or that job who cant afford to keep people on because of obama care. Of course there are casualties, such as the small business owners, but this is the effect of making the middle class pay for the health care of the poor. Hospitals were hit hard when 95% of their emergency room visits were people without any insurance at all. They would try to pass this on to the ones who actually had insurance anyway, like by charging them 1000$ for aspirin. This caused insurance companies pain and set for in motion was one of the grandest schemes of all time...............

Make the middle class pay for those aspirins, not the insurance companies.
Sure, there would be a lot of disruptions. There will be Hospital that have to figure out how to manage now that they cant charge what ever the heck they want to the people who have insurance. But when the dust settles.............Obamacare will make hospitals even more stable and more money. It is great for everyone..............but the middle class.

And republi-cants do not give two shits for the middle class, they serve their corporations..........................just like the demon-crates

They argue back and forth, put up a great show for their fans. But it is just posturing for the cameras and the media. Sure there are some that are green and actually believe they are fighting some worthwhile cause. But eventually, if they gain traction......the hammer comes down.
ObamaCare isnt some law that helps the poor or all those without health insurance, it was a huge scam that forced the burden to the middle class. See even the preexisting conditions, the buzz word that you hear repeated over and over, insurance companies are "forced" to take those and the hate it---right?
Wrong.
Since everyone has to have insurance, it is the law, they pass that cost on to the people. One thing that aint gonna happen..............those insurance companies arent gonna go broke.

ObamaCare is great for them, just like the laws that forced everyone to have to have car insurance. It is good for everyone, right? Actually, those laws came to place because it was freakn fantastic for the insurance companies.........a dream come true.
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(06-27-2015, 10:56 PM)ocre Wrote:  Of course, the magic in all this is how well Americans are fooled.
The loosers are the middle class.  They now have to pay for all the uninsured people.  They have to pay the subsidies while the hospitals, insurance companies, and Big pharma laugh all the way to the bank.

Nobody is fooled. This is why everyone hates Obamacare but the people who profiteer from it, the Dems who bought hobo votes with it, and the hobos who use it.

Obummer forced people who normally wouldn't need insurance or care much about it (20 somethings) to buy it or pay tax. They don't use it and their money pay for Apoppin.

Revisions in standards made people who have as much need of doper or mental help as I have of a "Hillary 2016" bumper sticker to buy it, not use it, and pay for Apoppin.

Companies who don't normally buy HMOs pay the lower tax to pay for Apoppin.

Single buyer/self employed paying more to pay for people like Apoppin.

All these people being stolen from against their will- for what?

Because Apoppin doesn't feel like going to work at a traditional job?

There is NO justice in Obamacare. It's a scam to pay off Dem voting hobos, and line healthcare pockets.

(06-27-2015, 05:42 PM)gstanford Wrote: Whatever you want to tell yourself Rollo.  Voting isn't compulsary in the USA.  I wonder how much the people voting Republican have been paid to do so?

Obama has achieved more than Shrub could ever dream of doing.

* Got rid of Osama Bin Laden (a pet Shrub project)

* Brought in fair health insurance

* Gay marriage constitutionally recognised under his administration

* Internet reform through the FCC

and much more.

LOL, you think people get paid to vote?! Rolleyes

What exactly did Obama have to do with Bin Laden? The military had been searching for him for years, they found him, not Obama.

Fair insurance? Some people have to work for money to pay for other's insurance. The only people who like that are the thieves, like Apoppin.

I'll give you the gay marriage thing is long overdue, and Obummer appointees helped that happen.

Internet reform?! WTF? Are you nuts?! I don't want the government regulating the net. And Obama didn't invent that, he only jumped on board.

Obama's hands have been tied behind his back the last five years because we have checks and balances and Congress won't let him do much of anything.
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Yes, I do think that (some people) do get paid to vote. I still remember Shrub's last election where he bussed people who wouldn't normally bother to vote into the polling stations.

Yes, the military had been looking for Bin Laden for years, didn't find him under Shrub, did under Obama because the military was too busy fighting pointless wars under Shrub to look properly.

Tom Wheeler was Obama's appointee and his former corporate bosses must really hate him now. His regulations are good for the internet and for consumers (not so good for TWC, Charter, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T etc though).

American health insurance is still pretty screwed up compared to Medicare in Australia, that is for sure, but it is better and fairer for all (not just the wealthy few) and it a good starting point to be improved upon.

Don't worry our conservative hated Medicare just as much when it was first introduced and tried to knock it out, they didn't succeed either. Nowadays they acknowledge just what a good system it is. They could have dismantled it or changed it during Howard's 13 year reign - they didn't.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

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(06-28-2015, 01:04 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-27-2015, 10:56 PM)ocre Wrote:  Of course, the magic in all this is how well Americans are fooled.
The loosers are the middle class.  They now have to pay for all the uninsured people.  They have to pay the subsidies while the hospitals, insurance companies, and Big pharma laugh all the way to the bank.

Nobody is fooled. This is why everyone hates Obamacare but the people who profiteer from it, the Dems who bought hobo votes with it, and the hobos who use it.

Obummer forced people who normally wouldn't need insurance or care much about it (20 somethings) to buy it or pay tax. They don't use it and their money pay for Apoppin.

Revisions in standards made people who have as much need of doper or mental help as I have of a "Hillary 2016" bumper sticker to buy it, not use it, and pay for Apoppin.

Companies who don't normally buy HMOs pay the lower tax to pay for Apoppin.

Single buyer/self employed paying more to pay for people like Apoppin.

All these people being stolen from against their will- for what?

Because Apoppin doesn't feel like going to work at a traditional job?

There is NO justice in Obamacare. It's a scam to pay off Dem voting hobos, and line healthcare pockets.

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Obama's hands have been tied behind his back the last five years because we have checks and balances and Congress won't let him do much of anything.

See, that's where you are flip flopping. You act like you get it but then you really don't.
ObamaCare is not for apoppin. It was never about helping the poor or jobless, it was a huge freaking scam. The insurance companies are cashing in, the hospitals and pharma....they all win.

You are angry at the wrong people. You should be angry at the thief and scammers, not the people who now have insurance. See before obamacare, people without insurance ended up in emergency rooms all the time. If they got hurt or sick, they got seen. Hospitals still made money, big pharma still made money. These were all thriving and mega rich industries. Now they will be even more rich.
And you were easily fooled. Your anger is very much misplaced.

The last part, where you say Obama hands are tied because of checks and balances.....
Yes, you are absolutely right. But, nothing has ever changed. Obama did not write obamacare. He did not make it. Its just his face in the propaganda. The stimulus package, it was actually the bail out package. It was billions of dollars for multibillion dollar companies.
Obama made more money for Wall Street than anyone else. He is the president for Wall Street. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...20768.html
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/...among-many

That doesn't make him any better. It is just, you rant endlessly on things you have been spoon fed. So much so, you are singing along. You seem to be passionate in these beliefs, all while your reality is made up of snowmen. If you really start digging into these things, it will surely melt before your eyes.

You want to know what is really going on, follow the money.

Its all in how you spin it. And the ones who fall for it, they will do the rest.

Hey, guess what---
George bush gave more money to the lower classes than Obama. Actual money, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, to the lower classes. Checks for all of them.

Talk about a socialist
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(06-28-2015, 06:45 AM)gstanford Wrote: Tom Wheeler was Obama's appointee and his former corporate bosses must really hate him now.  His regulations are good for the internet and for consumers (not so good for TWC, Charter, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T etc though).
Wheeler was a sleeper agent, and Charter has stated Title II won't affect them much. In fact, they're pledging to avoid data caps to get their merger with Time Warner approved: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Chart...ved-134311
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(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote: See, that's where you are flip flopping.  You act like you get it but then you really don't.
It's not flip flopping to recognize there is corruption on both sides of this unfortunate law.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote:  ObamaCare is not for apoppin.  It was never about helping the poor or jobless, it was a huge freaking scam.  The insurance companies are cashing in, the hospitals and pharma....they all win.
Sure, but so do guys like Apoppin. Before Obummercare, Apoppin would have had to go to work at a normal job to get health insurance. Apoppin's labor would pay for Apoppin's insurance. In the age of Obummercare, Apoppin gets healthcare off your labor and my labor. Why? Because Apoppin doesn't feel like working. I don't either, but some of us are men and women and realize paying your own way and not being a parasite dragging others down is a good thing.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote: You are angry at the wrong people.  You should be angry at the thief and scammers, not the people who now have insurance.
Why not be mad at both? It's no better to take the stolen money than it is to steal it.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote:  See before obamacare, people without insurance ended up in emergency rooms all the time.  If they got hurt or sick, they got seen.  Hospitals still made money, big pharma still made money.  These were all thriving and mega rich industries.  Now they will be even more rich.

Yes, but then hospitals billed the people who went to emergency rooms and if they were working garnished their wages. It's true some of them ended up declaring bankruptcy, but at least the responsibility started with them.

More importantly, the whole emergency room/garnishment/bankruptcy thing was a pretty powerful incentive for people to get a "real job" and not strum a guitar on a street corner, masturbate on a web cam, or pretend to be a tech journalist.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote: And you were easily fooled.  Your anger is very much misplaced.
Disagree. Let's put it this way: If the government said,"Ocre, we've enacted a new tax, $1000 a year on people who make 50% more than you do, and we're going to wire the money into your account every year.", would you take the money? My guess is "no" as you seem an honorable person.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote: The last part, where you say Obama hands are tied because of checks and balances.....
Yes, you are absolutely right.  But, nothing has ever changed.  Obama did not write obamacare.  He did not make it.  Its just his face in the propaganda.  The stimulus package, it was actually the bail out package.  It was billions of dollars for multibillion dollar companies.  
Obama made more money for Wall Street than anyone else.  He is the president for Wall Street.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...20768.html
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/...among-many

The bailout is another issue entirely.

 And most people's retirement is tied up with Wall Street in one way or another. Bail outs were a bipartisan effort to stabilize the economy in a time of economic crisis, began by Bush and continued by Obama. If those two agree, it's likely necessary.

(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote: Its all in how you spin it.  And the ones who fall for it, they will do the rest.

Hey, guess what---
George bush gave more money to the lower classes than Obama.  Actual money, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, to the lower classes. Checks for all of them.  

Talk about a socialist

Errr...how so?
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/per...ecks_N.htm

Freaking socialist!!!!!!!!

here is a big bu...bu..butt article

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazin...p?page=all
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(06-28-2015, 09:34 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-28-2015, 09:23 AM)ocre Wrote:  See before obamacare, people without insurance ended up in emergency rooms all the time.  If they got hurt or sick, they got seen.  Hospitals still made money, big pharma still made money.  These were all thriving and mega rich industries.  Now they will be even more rich.

Yes, but then hospitals billed the people who went to emergency rooms and if they were working garnished their wages. It's true some of them ended up declaring bankruptcy, but at least the responsibility started with them.

More importantly, the whole emergency room/garnishment/bankruptcy thing was a pretty powerful incentive for people to get a "real job" and not strum a guitar on a street corner, masturbate on a web cam, or pretend to be a tech journalist.

I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.

At least this scamming Industry preys on all. It's just that the mega rich have enough to pay the thieving bastards off while the working stiff don't have a prayer.

I work, I have insurance yet I still got nearly $100,000 Hospital bill when I was nearly killed.

I'm unconscious and have no control of what Hospital the ambulance brings me to. The Insurance Company says the hospital is "not in network".

Another example. debi couldn't breath one day last year, nearly collapsed going to bathroom from the bedroom. Brought her to the emergency room of a Hospital in network. They separated us and stuck me in the lobby. They send in an Emergency Doctor, guess what? Not in Network. So another nearly $10,00 bill.

It should be illegal to have a doctor not in network in the place that is in network. The whole freaking Industry is a giant scam yet people like Rollo wholly endorse the raping of Americans because he has more money than god and it doesn't affect him.
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Dave I obviously don't approve of what happened to you. I agree with your assessment of the situation.

However, that doesn't mean I give the aspect of Obamacare a pass that lets able bodied people choose whatever sketchy job they want and we have to pay for the benefit package not provided for the sketchy job.

Or for that matter, worse yet:

I have a "good job" with insurance. Let's I decide to compete with the firm I work for that taught me the business. Now my ex employer and coworkers have to be among those funding my start up?

I don't have "more money than god"- far from it. I have an upper middle class life and likely a secure retirement.

(06-30-2015, 07:56 AM)ocre Wrote: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/per...ecks_N.htm

Freaking socialist!!!!!!!!

here is a big  bu...bu..butt article

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazin...p?page=all

I like tax cuts as economic stimulus. When Obama did his, I bought new appliances for my kitchen. (worked on me)

I also like giving back to working people much more than doling out to slackers who choose not to work, or work at non traditional jobs and then expect us (you/Dave/me) to buy them a traditional benefit package.
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(06-30-2015, 08:44 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.

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Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

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(06-30-2015, 07:56 AM)ocre Wrote: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/per...ecks_N.htm

Freaking socialist!!!!!!!!

here is a big  bu...bu..butt article

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazin...p?page=all

Your second link is absolutely brilliant and shows precisely why the filthy rich should be lined up against the nearest wall and shot. Extermination is the best way to deal with parasites.

This affects Rollo too, wages growth has been stagnant for everyone while the filthy rich make off with 99% of the wealth.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(06-30-2015, 08:44 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.

Sure about that? I'm right about this thread, for example.

Can you HONESTLY say you don't mind paying more for health insurance to pay for prostitutes and dope dealers to have Obamacare?

They may well earn much more money than you, but because they earn cash and can hide it, Obamacare for them paid for by us.

How about guys starting their own business trying to get rich? One of my friends used to be independently employed as a developer, wrote everything off, taxable income was low while he built business as he invested in it. Want to buy that guy's insurance?

How about stoners that just don't want the responsibility of a traditional job, like getting high more? Choose to work in fast food, other marginal jobs, you want to buy them a HMO?
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#26
(06-30-2015, 05:32 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 08:44 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.
Sure about that? I'm right about this thread, for example.
Can you HONESTLY say you don't mind paying more for health insurance to pay for prostitutes and dope dealers to have Obamacare?
Absolutely. The rest of the civilized world has it right. Healthcare for all just like Marriage for all.
Equal means Equal
Only in the minds of the rich do they think they put their pants on any different.
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(06-30-2015, 09:07 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 05:32 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 08:44 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.
Sure about that? I'm right about this thread, for example.
Can you HONESTLY say you don't mind paying more for health insurance to pay for prostitutes and dope dealers to have Obamacare?
Absolutely. The rest of the civilized world has it right. Healthcare for all just like Marriage for all.
Equal means Equal
Only in the minds of the rich do they think they put their pants on any different.

I think you should look up that word, "equal".

Us having to pay for them =/= them getting paid for by us

Them getting paid for by us >>>>>>>>>>>>>us having to pay for them.

And how did "they" obtain this exalted status of others working to pay for them?

They chose to a. work at illegal or for cash business and break law not reporting income b. not get training necessary to advance themselves c. not work at all in some cases

So the "best" in our society, the people who contribute the most, have to work to earn money to pay for the "worst".

The rich DO put their pants on different- they put them on at 7 am and head to the office to make the money the rest of the country steals from them. The people I'm talking about are still sleeping.

(06-30-2015, 05:07 PM)gstanford Wrote: Your second link is absolutely brilliant and shows precisely why the filthy rich should be lined up against the nearest wall and shot.  Extermination is the best way to deal with parasites.

This affects Rollo too, wages growth has been stagnant for everyone while the filthy rich make off with 99% of the wealth.

You should look up the word "parasite".

Care to guess who pays all the taxes and employs all the people?

I've never worked for a poor guy, they have no money to pay. Rolleyes
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#28
(06-30-2015, 11:10 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 09:07 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 05:32 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(06-30-2015, 08:44 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a post by Rollo where he was right on anything.
Sure about that? I'm right about this thread, for example.
Can you HONESTLY say you don't mind paying more for health insurance to pay for prostitutes and dope dealers to have Obamacare?
Absolutely. The rest of the civilized world has it right. Healthcare for all just like Marriage for all.
Equal means Equal
Only in the minds of the rich do they think they put their pants on any different.

I think you should look up that word, "equal".

Us having to pay for them =/= them getting paid for by us

Them getting paid for by us >>>>>>>>>>>>>us having to pay for them.

And how did "they" obtain this exalted status of others working to pay for them?

They chose to a. work at illegal or for cash business and break law not reporting income b. not get training necessary to advance themselves c. not work at all in some cases

So the "best" in our society, the people who contribute the most, have to work to earn money to pay for the "worst".

The rich DO put their pants on different- they put them on at 7 am and head to the office to make the money the rest of the country steals from them. The people I'm talking about are still sleeping.
There is your problems. You really think the world is nothing but 9 to 5 at an office and you are different.
Money and greed really warps brains and saps any ability to think.
Sad
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#29
(06-30-2015, 11:46 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote: There is your problems. You really think the world is nothing but 9 to 5 at an office and you are different.
Money and greed really warps brains and saps any ability to think.
Sad

OK, let's go with that. Even though I graduated college twice, and have worked the last 16 years in IS, I "can't think".

Enlighten me:

How is it equal for one group to be diminished while another is enriched?

And, if you believe this to be true, how about sending me another GTX980 Ti? I want to be enriched while you are diminished.
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#30
from Ocre's excellent article (his 2nd link):

Wage share of GDP, 1947-present
[Image: 1403-cooper_chart-1.jpg]

Quote:This period was called the “Great Moderation.” While real GDP growth was substantially slower than during the thirty-year postwar boom, there were fewer sharp booms and recessions, mostly because the Fed no longer induced recessions deliberately. But there were a few more features of this new, more moderate economy that policy elites didn’t fully appreciate right away. The first was that income inequality began to take off. Starting in the ’80s, productivity gains were no longer shared with workers. Therefore, the wage share of the economy began to decrease. As a percentage of total output, wages have fallen from a high of almost 52 percent around 1970 to less than 43 percent today (see Graph 1). Meanwhile, inequality within wages also increased. The upshot? The rich began capturing nearly all the results of economic growth—the top 1 percent’s share of national income increased from about 8 percent in the mid-’70s to about 23 percent today.  And that turned out to have some awful side effects, since the rich disproportionately save their money rather than spend it. But they don’t save by piling up huge pyramids of cash like Scrooge McDuck, they “save” by buying financial assets—which means that most of the fruits of economic growth have been channeled into asset price increases, rather than consumer price inflation. That partly explains the tendency toward bubbles. All of the recessions since the start of the Great Moderation were caused by collapsing asset bubbles: the savings-and-loan crisis of the late ’80s, the dot-com stock bubble in the 2000s, and the housing bubble in 2007.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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#31
And look at them dance around the obvious question, the elephant in the room.

"How is it "fair" or "equal" for one group to be enriched at the expense of another?"

Whether rich people have a lot of money and poor people don't is wildly irrelevant.
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#32
Yeah but I pay nothing for my health care. My work pays it.

We have a 200$ deductible. Nothing changes since obamacare. Not on my side.

If youR Heath insurance went up rollo, find another job

I can't understand why you are angry at people on obamacare, there are jobs with better benefits. Get you one of those.
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(07-01-2015, 12:49 PM)ocre Wrote: Yeah but I pay nothing for my health care.  My work pays it.

We have a 200$ deductible. Nothing changes since obamacare. Not on my side.

If youR Heath insurance went up rollo, find another job

I can't understand why you are angry at people on obamacare, there are jobs with better benefits.  Get you one of those.

I didn't say my costs went up.

I do know people whose costs went up though, and what I primarily object to is:
A. The concept of people now being able to choose if they steal from others. (E.G. Apoppin, could get normal job with insurance, chooses not to, brags about "Obamacare working for him".) How can anyone NOT be revolted by that sort of thing?
B. I have a teenage son that I hope is successful. I think the end result of all these loafers collect free HMOs will be higher taxes, like it has been around the world in places with socialized medicine. I don't want my son stolen from to give people like Apoppin the freedom to pick non traditional work.

I'm pretty much past the govt being able to push me around too much. My wife and I are both working professionals who can pay the bills, so we can do things like one of us quit or go half time to duck under tax brackets. Can pretty much guarantee I won't work full time just to pay more tax to support slackers.

EDIT: As I just re-read that, I envisioned slackers angrily opining, "That asshole! Why won't he work to pay for us?! Obama said he must!".

I'd respond to them, "I want to work to support you just about as much as you want to support me nimrods. Go f*** yourselves."
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#34
Yeah, I think we are very different. I only concern myself with the things that affect me directly. To anyone that might have their rates go up, I say find a way to deal with it. I do not mean that in a heartless way, that is just how I am. I am a survivor not a whiner. Stuff like this, it's nothing to me. I mean, real bad stuff happens in this world. Like life changing events. I promise you rollo, it won't be long before something major and catastrophic happens in your life. There never is. Life is very short and it is blazing by. I choose to enjoy and embrace what I have and what I can achieve.

That's just the way I am. If you have pain in your life, deal with it. I do not worry about who has it better than me. I don't typically want what others have, i am more concerned with achieving the goals I have set for myself.

Obamacare only bothers you as much as you want it to.
The only way obamacare would bother me is if it directly becomes an issue in my life. If it takes away my quality of life for real, then I would be concerned with it. But, the last thing I would be upset with are the people getting subsidies. I am much more direct and result driven. Worrying and bitching about the people I don't think deserve healthcare, that gets you nowhere. It's just a total waste.

Anger and hate make you weak. If obamacare affects you personally and is taking away from your well being, then focus on how to improve your situation. Hating the loafers gets you what? How will that ever improve your life? You're focused on the wrong people, unless misery is what you are looking for. Even if obamacare was a huge issue to your physical existence (rather than in your head), hating and being angry at the people on it won't get you anywhere. That is about as useful as banging your head against the wall, just to feel the pain. If it is affecting your well being than put your energy in a proper solution.

Life is not about what others are getting, it's about finding your own happiness. I have seen you say a million times that rich people worked hard for everything they have. It is true that some rich people worked very hard and earned their rank. But for every rich person who earns their rank, their are a number of them that have wealth handed to them. You are a fool if you don't believe that. I could sit around crying about how those born into wealth don't deserve it, get just as dramatic as you are about free loaders and their "free ride", boohoo it's just so terrible. Life isn't fair, bla bla bla. But sorry pal, that ain't me. I don't study what others have or what they get for free. I am making my life and in the end, I will make my way.

No matter what you are telling yourself, what you are focused on here is a total waste. But it really seems to bother you..............

You should be wondering what that might say about you.
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#35
I speak about this because it's a great injustice I see as threatening our way of life in this country.

Watch the 2007 movie "Sicko" and see the couple in France boast about their after tax, "We're not an average family, because I'm a tenured professor and she's an engineer, but our take home is over $80,000!". What do you think the take home for such a couple would be here?

That is the danger I see here.

I point out the loafers because they are evidence of why the law is unjust, and the safety nets we had for old/young/disabled were preferable.

I post about it because it takes very little time. The internet gives me a way to point out this has been broken, and now needs to be fixed, and gives me the opportunity to change the opinions of dozens if not hundreds (1000s on some forums) of voters.

I don't actually care much about Apoppin collecting this because I think our laws on people being caregivers to family members need re-design. BUT- Apoppin is a "face" we can all relate to and a much more effective talking point than "I here there are some able bodied guys choosing not to work and leeching off the rest of us."

You are right on life being short, so I am going to stop writing about this and take my son and one of his buddies tubing.
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#36
The loafers you speak of are the image you create in your head. Just as the others here have this image of "the rich". Not all the people on subsidies are loafers, not all the people who got coverage are bums. The beautiful irony is you don't seem to realize that you aren't much different than the people you try to set straight.

If obamacare is so wrong to you, dont be so easily fooled. Your discontent is completely misplaced.

If you understand why the law is really here, you understand the bigger issue. Once you understand the bigger issue, then you might see the gravity of the situation. Your most likely not wanting to focus on that because the clutching grip is so strong it is out of all of our hands.

Sooner or later, if you can allow yourself to connect the dots, you might see something unexpected. Perhaps you have been on the wrong side of these debates. You probably aren't ready for that revolution yet
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#37
There are plenty of things in Rollo's head and I fear he will never be ready for any revolution.

You know how he first introduced himself to me (uninvited I might add)? Sent a PM on nvnews.net or anandtech (don't recall which) asking if I were a cigar smoker and what my favorite Cognac was. No shit.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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#38
(07-03-2015, 11:45 AM)ocre Wrote: The loafers you speak of are the image you create in your head.  Just as the others here have this image of "the rich".  Not all the people on subsidies are loafers, not all the people who got coverage are bums.  The beautiful irony is you don't seem to realize that you aren't much different than the people you try to set straight.

If obamacare is so wrong to you, dont be so easily fooled. Your discontent is completely misplaced.

If you understand why the law is really here, you understand the bigger issue.  Once you understand the bigger issue, then you might see the gravity of the situation.  Your most likely not wanting to focus on that because the clutching grip is so strong it is out of all of our hands.

Sooner or later, if you can allow yourself to connect the dots, you might see something unexpected.  Perhaps you have been on the wrong side of these debates.  You probably aren't ready for that revolution yet

The law added 5m to Medicaid in it's first year, those are the "handful of loafers" you refer to.

As noted, I understand the law is at once a collection mechanism for health care (middle class being bled to pay for lower) but as noted the loafers are the ones who voted for those who brought it about, and the ones who are receiving the stolen money.

If there are a lot of Swedish people, and they vote people into office who steal money from the rest of us to enrich themselves at others expense because they are Swedish, I'll complain about that as well. This is no different.

(07-03-2015, 04:16 PM)gstanford Wrote: There are plenty of things in Rollo's head and I fear he will never be ready for any revolution.

You know how he first introduced himself to me (uninvited I might add)?  Sent a PM on nvnews.net or anandtech (don't recall which) asking if I were a cigar smoker and what my favorite Cognac was.  No shit.

Another Gstanford lie or unintentional mistake, hard to tell which.

I've never had cognac, and I've had about 2 cigars in my life, so it's doubtful I tried to discuss either with anyone. I used to enjoy good liquor and craft ales, it's possible I mentioned one of those.
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#39
I don't want a revolution, absolutely not. Those wishing for such a thing right now are deluded.

They haven't seen true suffering.

Anyway, rollo. I don't think you get it. The push/pull politics is about as real as wrestling in the 80s.
It is all for show. I think part of you gathers that, but you are in denial.

Obamacare is great for the same corporations that back republicans. It is not a law to help the people, it's all for show. Follow the money, out of our pockets straight into theirs. If you make 25,000 a yr, or more, you got screwed if you have to get Obamacare.

You have to understand that the media is completely controlled. You will mostly read and see this theatrical battle, some people in the media are snowballed too, but they all know whatever they are reporting is someones agenda.

You have to really look between the lines sometimes. If you know the media is biased and is used for propaganda, then you should know anything you see on the mainstream media on issues like these is pure propaganda. There is righteousness, dont be a fool. Every politician is backed by big corporations. They are all playing this game. You seem smart enough and it baffles me easily you are fooled.

Take your time to read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/02...97270.html

or how about this one

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014...stupidity/


Or how about the fact that our elected officials are getting obamacare subsidies?

Obamacare is a redistribution of wealth. Not from the rich to poor, but the middle class to the poor. There is no one really trying to stop it because the people getting rich on obamacare are have politicians in their pocket. The whole fight was for show, no one really planned on repealing obamacare. They just were trying to win popularity. Every politician is backed by powerful corporations and then a bunch of less powerful corporations. They are all spending money trying to buy power. But big Pharma is on the top. They get what they want.
middleclass buying the bottom feeders prescriptions and paying for their healthcare. This is like Christmas times a billion for them.

Oh, and you can bet your butt....
Anyone who wasnt covered and got obamacare, the first time they go to the doctor, they leave with at least one or more monthly prescriptions
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(07-03-2015, 11:09 PM)ocre Wrote: Obamacare is a redistribution of wealth.  Not from the rich to poor, but the middle class to the poor.


Yeeeearrrghhhhhh!!!!

This is what I have been saying all along- and why I hate Obamacare. It lowers the standard of living in America to subsidize the poor. Makes the rich/middle class less rich, make the poor less poor, and that is why it is evil.
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