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[EDIT]hmmm.....whats going on at AMD? (and history of 3Dfx Rampage)
(02-18-2017, 07:33 AM)24601 Wrote: The very fact that AMD is positioning it's 8c/16t against i5-7600k (according to leaks) should be a giant flashing neon warning sign in and of itself.

In most of the leaks I've seen, it's been going against 6900k.

Case in point:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

and more:

https://www.techpowerup.com/230929/ryzen...d#comments

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa...st-3605833

I'm not so sure these have "zero" head room when overclocking.

I'm very excited. These processors succeeding would be good news to everybody.
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(02-23-2017, 02:58 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
(02-18-2017, 07:33 AM)24601 Wrote: The very fact that AMD is positioning it's 8c/16t against i5-7600k (according to leaks) should be a giant flashing neon warning sign in and of itself.

In most of the leaks I've seen, it's been going against 6900k.

Case in point:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

and more:

https://www.techpowerup.com/230929/ryzen...d#comments

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa...st-3605833

I'm not so sure these have "zero" head room when overclocking.

I'm very excited. These processors succeeding would be good news to everybody.


5.2 ghz on LN2 is literally trash, just like Broadwell HEDT was trash.

No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.
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(02-23-2017, 05:59 PM)24601 Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 02:58 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
(02-18-2017, 07:33 AM)24601 Wrote: The very fact that AMD is positioning it's 8c/16t against i5-7600k (according to leaks) should be a giant flashing neon warning sign in and of itself.

In most of the leaks I've seen, it's been going against 6900k.

Case in point:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

and more:

https://www.techpowerup.com/230929/ryzen...d#comments

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa...st-3605833

I'm not so sure these have "zero" head room when overclocking.

I'm very excited. These processors succeeding would be good news to everybody.


5.2 ghz on LN2 is literally trash, just like Broadwell HEDT was trash.

No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.

No offense intended, but you'd have to work for intel or be on crack to not think these CPUs are the best news in CPU industry since C2D.

A $399 CPU  beating intel's $1089 CPU?! I hope they sell a ton of these.
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(02-23-2017, 06:59 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 05:59 PM)24601 Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 02:58 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
(02-18-2017, 07:33 AM)24601 Wrote: The very fact that AMD is positioning it's 8c/16t against i5-7600k (according to leaks) should be a giant flashing neon warning sign in and of itself.

In most of the leaks I've seen, it's been going against 6900k.

Case in point:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

and more:

https://www.techpowerup.com/230929/ryzen...d#comments

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa...st-3605833

I'm not so sure these have "zero" head room when overclocking.

I'm very excited. These processors succeeding would be good news to everybody.


5.2 ghz on LN2 is literally trash, just like Broadwell HEDT was trash.

No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.

No offense intended, but you'd have to work for intel or be on crack to not think these CPUs are the best news in CPU industry since C2D.

A $399 CPU  beating intel's $1089 CPU?! I hope they sell a ton of these.


I'm not a stock analyst/holder hyping on forums if that's what you are getting at.

I'm purely analyzing on performance, on the assumption that the people reading forums about this stuff will have an OCed 2500k or 3570k or better.

You can make up arbitrary scenarios until the cows come home. Doesn't make the performance change.


If you want to pretend to be a stock analyst then you know which forum you should be typing on.
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(02-23-2017, 07:26 PM)24601 Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 06:59 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 05:59 PM)24601 Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 02:58 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
(02-18-2017, 07:33 AM)24601 Wrote: The very fact that AMD is positioning it's 8c/16t against i5-7600k (according to leaks) should be a giant flashing neon warning sign in and of itself.

In most of the leaks I've seen, it's been going against 6900k.

Case in point:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

and more:

https://www.techpowerup.com/230929/ryzen...d#comments

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threa...st-3605833

I'm not so sure these have "zero" head room when overclocking.

I'm very excited. These processors succeeding would be good news to everybody.


5.2 ghz on LN2 is literally trash, just like Broadwell HEDT was trash.

No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.

No offense intended, but you'd have to work for intel or be on crack to not think these CPUs are the best news in CPU industry since C2D.

A $399 CPU  beating intel's $1089 CPU?! I hope they sell a ton of these.


I'm not a stock analyst/holder hyping on forums if that's what you are getting at.

I'm purely analyzing on performance, on the assumption that the people reading forums about this stuff will have an OCed 2500k or 3570k or better.

You can make up arbitrary scenarios until the cows come home. Doesn't make the performance change.


If you want to pretend to be a stock analyst then you know which forum you should be typing on.

I didn't mean "you" personally, I meant it like "a person would have to be".

Nonetheless, this is epic. Can't imagine more unlikely or better news in the CPU industry, will buy one sooner or later on principle alone.

AMD deserves resurrection for this, wish I had bought stockl yesterday.
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Far too late to buy stock, the point of buying stock is either on insider information before the hype train starts, and/or to buy it and then create your own hype-train.

If random people start saying to themselves "i should invest in this", it's usually dumping time.
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(02-23-2017, 07:47 PM)24601 Wrote: Far too late to buy stock, the point of buying stock is either on insider information before the hype train starts, and/or to buy it and then create your own hype-train.

If random people start saying to themselves "i should invest in this", it's usually dumping time.

Uh huh.

There's no way AMD could possibly go up for a while after launching the fastest CPUs on the planet. Impossible! Rolleyes
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(02-23-2017, 07:26 PM)24601 Wrote: No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.

Likely due to the price of most pieces, not because of sanity reasons. I guarantee, if the 6900k was $350-500, people would have been buying them by the boat load; irregardless of whether the performance benefited their gaming experience. Pre-orders for the 1800x are already selling out, and the damn thing hasn't even been released/reviewed yet.



Quote:I'm purely analyzing on performance, on the assumption that the people reading forums about this stuff will have an OCed 2500k or 3570k or better.

Yes, this is true if the individuals primarily do things like play games as you previously indicated. Otherwise, with multi-threaded apps, a processor like the 6900k eviscerates a 3570k; let alone a 2500k. Overclocked or otherwise. 1800x seems to edge out the 9600k, but is 50-60% cheaper.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/701?vs=1729
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(Yesterday, 02:20 AM)googoo24 Wrote:
(02-23-2017, 07:26 PM)24601 Wrote: No one in their right mind bought Broadwell HEDT for gaming either.

Likely due to the price of most pieces, not because of sanity reasons. I guarantee, if the 6900k was $350-500, people would have been buying them by the boat load; irregardless of whether the performance benefited their gaming experience. Pre-orders for the 1800x are already selling out, and the damn thing hasn't even been released/reviewed yet.



Quote:I'm purely analyzing on performance, on the assumption that the people reading forums about this stuff will have an OCed 2500k or 3570k or better.

Yes, this is true if the individuals primarily do things like play games as you previously indicated. Otherwise, with multi-threaded apps, a processor like the 6900k eviscerates a 3570k; let alone a 2500k. Overclocked or otherwise. 1800x seems to edge out the 9600k, but is 50-60% cheaper.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/701?vs=1729

Go buy yourself some 12 core ivy bridge server systems if you don't care about single threaded performance.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=E5-...acat=58058

2 socket compatible 12 core ivy bridge server processor for 199 USD each.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=E5-...acat=58058

2 socket compatible 14 core haswell server processor for 245 USD each.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Computers-Tablet...E5-2695+v3

2 socket compatible 14 core higher tdp, higher clock haswell server processor for 309 USD each.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=E5-...acat=58058

2 socket compatible 18 core broadwell server processor for ~690 USD each.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Computers-Tablet...v4&_sop=15

2 socket compatible 22 core broadwell server processor for ~1150 USD each.
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Where did I indicate that I didn't care about single threaded performance?
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*Grabs popcorn while AMD fans try to slice the possibilities in exactly as fine a way as possible to make sure only AMD processors is the correct answer, despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*
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Don't know what all the fuss is about. AMD finally quits dragging its arse along the ground like a dog with ringworms and mostly catches up. Best part of a decade too late.

My 2600K and 4790K sure aren't getting replaced with anything AMD anytime soon.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

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(Yesterday, 05:33 AM)gstanford Wrote: Don't know what all the fuss is about.  AMD finally quits dragging its arse along the ground like a dog with ringworms and mostly catches up.  Best part of a decade too late.

My 2600K and 4790K sure aren't getting replaced with anything AMD anytime soon.

Hey GStan, do you think it is surprising Baron Trump is going to get a better job than our sons?

Not me.

This is like our sons getting a better job than Baron Trump.

For AMD to come up with a better part after years of layoff, selling assets and cutting R&D budgets is nothing short of amazing.
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I don't see it that way, either compete properly in an industry or get the hell out of it.

Up until Ryzen AMD were looking to get the hell out of it (via the Darwin award).
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(Yesterday, 05:16 AM)24601 Wrote: *Grabs popcorn while AMD fans try to slice the possibilities in exactly as fine a way as possible to make sure only AMD processors is the correct answer, despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

I guess Rollo was right about you then, huh? I'm using a 4670k btw, and there are only several, really active members here. As such, who are these AMD fans you're waiting for and why would you waste a good bag of popcorn? Weird.


Quote:Despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

You already own Ryzen? I've seen nothing but leaks thus far, most of them in AMD's favor. Not a single review.
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(Yesterday, 07:44 AM)googoo24 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 05:16 AM)24601 Wrote: *Grabs popcorn while AMD fans try to slice the possibilities in exactly as fine a way as possible to make sure only AMD processors is the correct answer, despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

I guess Rollo was right about you then, huh? I'm using a 4670k btw, and there are only several, really active members here. As such, who are these AMD fans you're waiting for and why would you waste a good bag of popcorn? Weird.


Quote:Despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

You already own Ryzen? I've seen nothing but leaks thus far, most of them in AMD's favor. Not a single review.

It could be said I have my differences with AMD. (as they basically had me run off the internet)

Nonetheless, I'm really happy for their triumph. To come up with this after Bulldozer is like Britney Spears waking up one day and composing Beethoven's 5th. All odds were against them and they hit it out of the park.
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Quote:Nonetheless, I'm really happy for their triumph. To come up with this after Bulldozer is like Britney Spears waking up one day and composing Beethoven's 5th. All odds were against them and they hit it out of the park.
They did what they have done in the past with K6, K7, K8 -- they went and got outside expertise (Jim Keller) to rescue them.

Their last "in-house success" would be the 5x86 and that was just polishing an intel 486 design....
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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(Yesterday, 07:44 AM)googoo24 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 05:16 AM)24601 Wrote: *Grabs popcorn while AMD fans try to slice the possibilities in exactly as fine a way as possible to make sure only AMD processors is the correct answer, despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

I guess Rollo was right about you then, huh? I'm using a 4670k btw, and there are only several, really active members here. As such, who are these AMD fans you're waiting for and why would you waste a good bag of popcorn? Weird.


Quote:Despite being inferior in single core as well as multi-core in any reasonable scenario*

You already own Ryzen? I've seen nothing but leaks thus far, most of them in AMD's favor. Not a single review.

Lol, you parrot AMD's talking points to the letter that they have sent out to their viral marketers and then you try to paint me as a shill.

Too funny.

You insist on talking about unreleased hardware that is not independently reviewed that I specifically told everyone to keep their panties on until good reviews come out, and then when I respond to you you literally call me a shill and that >>I<< was the one to have brought such a thing up.

You have zero self-awareness. And it is absolutely hilarious.
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You are aware that Trollo used to shill for nvidia, yes?

Why wouldn't he shill for AMD if they paid him well enough? he has a fancy new house to pay for not to mention he likes to purchase new road trains every several years.  Of course he's going to take AMD's money and run his mouth, just like he used to for nvidia.
Adam knew he should have bought a PC but Eve fell for the marketing hype.

Homeopathy is what happened when snake oil salesmen discovered that water is cheaper than snake oil.

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin
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Quote:Lol, you parrot AMD's talking points to the letter that they have sent out to their viral marketers and then you try to paint me as a shill.

Weird, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I said, based on all the leaks presented ( I assume you're saying they've all been paid off by AMD), these chips seem competitive. They do. Unless you have something to the contrary.

I also didn't call you a shill, but I did agree with someone else who indicated that you might be; particularly when reflecting on your superior Intel cores and AMD fans jab. Or, at the least, you have a bias against AMD.

Quote:Too funny.

Like saying AMD's new architecture pales in comparison (in both single and multi=threaded apps) to Intel's; despite these chips not even having been remotely reviewed? Right.

Quote:You insist on talking about unreleased hardware

Well, this is a hardware forum.

Quote:that is not independently reviewed

Yeah, I blatantly said that myself several times, I believe. You even quoted me just saying that.

Quote:that I specifically told everyone to keep their panties on until good reviews come out, and then when I respond to you you literally call me a shill and that >>I<< was the one to have brought such a thing up.

Uhh.....That was Rollo. My name is Googoo. Entirely different. You okay, friend?


Quote:You have zero self-awareness. And it is absolutely hilarious.
Now that I I think on it, you've have obviously mashed me and Rollo's post together. You're right, that is hilarious.
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(Yesterday, 03:04 PM)googoo24 Wrote:
Quote:Lol, you parrot AMD's talking points to the letter that they have sent out to their viral marketers and then you try to paint me as a shill.

Weird, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I said, based on all the leaks presented ( I assume you're saying they've all been paid off by AMD), these chips seem competitive. They do. Unless you have something to the contrary.

I also didn't call you a shill, but I did agree with someone else who indicated that you might be; particularly when reflecting on your superior Intel cores and AMD fans jab. Or, at the least, you have a bias against AMD.

Quote:Too funny.

Like saying AMD's new architecture pales in comparison (in both single and multi=threaded apps) to Intel's; despite these chips not even having been remotely reviewed? Right.

Quote:You insist on talking about unreleased hardware 

Well, this is a hardware forum.

Quote:that is not independently reviewed 

Yeah, I blatantly said that myself several times, I believe. You even quoted me just saying that.

Quote:that I specifically told everyone to keep their panties on until good reviews come out, and then when I respond to you you literally call me a shill and that >>I<< was the one to have brought such a thing up.

Uhh.....That was Rollo. My name is Googoo. Entirely different. You okay, friend?


Quote:You have zero self-awareness. And it is absolutely hilarious.
Now that I I think on it, you've have obviously mashed me and Rollo's post together. You're right, that is hilarious.


This is a discussion in text. Your attempts to use grammatical sleight of hand are hilarious, as there is a record of prior conversation.

As I see you are resorting to completely lying on every account of events, I shall declare victory and be done with your trolling.

Welcome to my ignore list you troll.

(Yesterday, 02:51 PM)gstanford Wrote: You are aware that Trollo used to shill for nvidia, yes?

Why wouldn't he shill for AMD if they paid him well enough?  he has a fancy new house to pay for not to mention he likes to purchase new road trains every several years.  Of course he's going to take AMD's money and run his mouth, just like he used to for nvidia.

It's more likely it's an example of a psychopath who misses the confrontational banter they spent so much time on. Their posts on this forum are evidenced as mostly psychopathic stirring of the pot with minimal substance for their own amusement.

I wont rule out the possibility of shilling entirely of course.
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Well, aren't you bed-bug crazy? I might have to stay away from popcorn in the near future.

And why the heck would I care about an ignore list? I have 41 posts in two-years!


(Yesterday, 02:51 PM)gstanford Wrote: You are aware that Trollo used to shill for nvidia, yes?

Why wouldn't he shill for AMD if they paid him well enough?  he has a fancy new house to pay for not to mention he likes to purchase new road trains every several years.  Of course he's going to take AMD's money and run his mouth, just like he used to for nvidia.


Shhhh.....Apparently I'm Rollo in disguise. My devious mental tricks have been foiled! If it wasn't for those meddling kids and that mutt....Oh, wait.
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