(05-28-2015, 05:11 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: It is indeed true that there are people in every society that have much, much more than working folks like us.

How is that any of our concern?

Some here seem to think this money is "owed" to them.

By what right?

The "those rich guys should share" right?

I'm honestly stupefied buy the apparently global "rich guys should be helping us" movement. Shouldn't we be helping ourselves?

(05-28-2015, 09:32 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: Very sad for this individual and those like him.

Mankind is doomed to forever repeat history because of people like them.

(05-29-2015, 07:11 AM)happy medium Wrote: hold on to your guns poor people, if the government takes them, you will have nothing to fight with.

I think in the future, the people will revolt and civil unrest will take back this country from the super rich.
I may not see it, mabe not even my kids ,but it will happen if there is not enough jobs for people that want to work and support there famies while a very few eat off golden plates.

Edit: Is that Rollo from way back at Anandtech?
Wow long time no see. God I  used to love your posts.

(05-29-2015, 07:11 AM)happy medium Wrote: hold on to your guns poor people, if the government takes them, you will have nothing to fight with.

I think in the future, the people will revolt and civil unrest will take back this country from the super rich.
I may not see it, mabe not even my kids ,but it will happen if there is not enough jobs for people that want to work and support there famies while a very few eat off golden plates.

(05-29-2015, 08:24 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Oh yeah, that would work so well-if the gap in firepower between civilians and the military hadn't shot up like a bottle rocket between 1776 and today.

(05-29-2015, 08:38 AM)happy medium Wrote: Well in Philadelphia we have M16's, rocket launchers , grenade launchers sold on the streets.
I can imagine what some of these people have in the back of the corner butcher shop.



Edit: I go away a few years, come back and no Apoppin?
Rollo what did you do this time? On a brighter note I was over his new site checking it out and signed up.

(05-29-2015, 08:38 AM)happy medium Wrote: I go away a few years

(05-29-2015, 08:55 AM)happy medium Wrote: I get what your saying, but I don't think our Military would bomb us. They might get the order but I don't think the actual soldiers will kill there own families. They might take our side,they are kinda broke too.

(05-28-2015, 06:04 PM)gstanford Wrote: You were on the old ABT forums telling us how wonderful it was that all the low skill jobs went overseas, that the people here (USA) didn't deserve them.  Served the greedy unions and upstart peasants right for expecting more.

(05-30-2015, 10:46 PM)happy medium Wrote: "half of households have more than $50K income"

My parents are blue collar workers (both never finished high school) and haven't made only 50k since the early 90's.
I don't think 50k is even middle class anymore, more like 80K.
To me a family of 4 with a 50k income is rather poor , food alone cost 500$ a month average for a family of 4.
Add a mortgage, a car payment, insurance, cable ,cellphones, ect ect ect  ,you have no money left.

(05-30-2015, 10:46 PM)happy medium Wrote: "half of households have more than $50K income"

My parents are blue collar workers (both never finished high school) and haven't made only 50k since the early 90's.
I don't think 50k is even middle class anymore, more like 80K.
To me a family of 4 with a 50k income is rather poor , food alone cost 500$ a month average for a family of 4.
Add a mortgage, a car payment, insurance, cable ,cellphones, ect ect ect ,you have no money left.

(05-29-2015, 08:52 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: In the era of the Homeland Security Act making all of our communications accessible, laser guided missiles dusting people from very far away, and the tech of the US military, it would be suicide for the masses to revolt.

(05-30-2015, 11:49 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:

(05-30-2015, 10:46 PM)happy medium Wrote: "half of households have more than $50K income"

My parents are blue collar workers (both never finished high school) and haven't made only 50k since the early 90's.
I don't think 50k is even middle class anymore, more like 80K.
To me a family of 4 with a 50k income is rather poor , food alone cost 500$ a month average for a family of 4.
Add a mortgage, a car payment, insurance, cable ,cellphones, ect ect ect  ,you have no money left.

The OP has shown he has no clue as to this.

The rich are so out of touch with reality now more than ever.

(05-30-2015, 11:51 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:

(05-29-2015, 08:52 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: In the era of the Homeland Security Act making all of our communications accessible, laser guided missiles dusting people from very far away, and the tech of the US military, it would be suicide for the masses to revolt.

300 million to what number in the military?

(05-30-2015, 11:51 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:

(05-29-2015, 08:52 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: In the era of the Homeland Security Act making all of our communications accessible, laser guided missiles dusting people from very far away, and the tech of the US military, it would be suicide for the masses to revolt.

300 million to what number in the military?

(05-31-2015, 06:05 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Problems with "revolution":

1.  How do poor acquire the assets of the rich? It's not like the rich keep their cash under a mattress. Lots of it in offshore accounts.

2. Poor can't do jack sh*t in the global economy. If they seize power, what do they do with it. "OK men. We are now in control. Now begins the golden era where America exports hamburgers to the world and WE control the economy!". Or would it just be, "OK you smart guys work and give us the money."?

3. Can't tax it out of them, if they bring back FDRs "Robin Hood" taxes, the rich have shown they're more than happy to move their business, and themselves elsewhere.

4. You wouldn't WANT everyone to make $100K, because if they did, the prices necessary to support the wages would make $100K worth what $20K is now. It's far preferable to have stratification of wages where everyone has a chance to succeed to some degree. Keeps prices "low" and incentive to get ahead high.

The only people who "don't understand" are those that think the poor are owed a free ride.

(05-31-2015, 09:44 PM)gstanford Wrote: The real revolution will come from the Chinese.

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There is nothing wrong with left-wing governments either.  Witness Europe.  Despite being dragged into the US's GFC like every other country, the vast majority of Europeans enjoy a very high standard of living.

(05-31-2015, 10:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: That is the US problem in a nut shell, it has forgotten its people.

"We the people" has become "we the filthy rich & We the corporations"....

(05-31-2015, 10:31 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:

(05-31-2015, 10:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: That is the US problem in a nut shell, it has forgotten its people.

"We the people" has become "we the filthy rich & We the corporations"....

Exactly and that is why the masses will rise up against them.

(06-01-2015, 12:31 AM)ocre Wrote: I think you guys are the ones only focused on money, gstanford.

(06-01-2015, 12:31 AM)ocre Wrote: I think you guys are the ones only focused on money, gstanford.

(06-01-2015, 03:31 AM)SickBeast Wrote:

(06-01-2015, 12:31 AM)ocre Wrote: I think you guys are the ones only focused on money, gstanford.

You are encouraging Rollo...

Quote:After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

(05-31-2015, 11:05 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: How about you Dave?

I'd bet good money your household income is at least $60-$70K

(06-01-2015, 05:09 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(06-01-2015, 03:31 AM)SickBeast Wrote:

(06-01-2015, 12:31 AM)ocre Wrote: I think you guys are the ones only focused on money, gstanford.

You are encouraging Rollo...

I took a liberal Democrat friend up to my cabin last night to go fishing. This guy has two Masters degrees, works in the college system. We disagree on most things political, debate liberal and conservative ideology while we fish.

First I shared this story with him:

http://www.usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/

Quote:After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

Then I brought up this thread, and the impending "revolution". He started laughing, and said "What is the cause that is supposed to galvanize the people to attack our military and basically commit suicide?! If money is the issue, your first story apparently proves 80% of the poor won't even work 6 hours a week for it. These guy think they'll lay down their lives in hopes of higher wages?!"

My friend and I disagree on most political issues and debate the "rights" of the poor all the time. On this we agreed immediately: The poor in the USA have things good enough that they will choose to keep on with the status quo before getting shot by the National Guard.

(06-01-2015, 09:58 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Actually, there's also the possibility that the job market is so horrible that the majority of the poor can't get work to continue qualifying for welfare, and that forcing them to go through vocational training and volunteering hoops that don't help them at all in this experience-demanding job economy makes them realize that this form of welfare is a waste of time and effort for no gain in chances of getting a job for themselves.

(06-01-2015, 08:21 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:

(05-31-2015, 11:05 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: How about you Dave?

I'd bet good money your household income is at least $60-$70K

You would lose that bet.

(06-01-2015, 11:47 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Your answer is the same as when we talked years ago. You're a smart guy, and a nice guy, you need to finish the degree (even if it means on nights and weekends for a few years) and use the system that is using you.

When my first degree didn't pan out like expected I did exactly that and got a second. If that ever fails, I'll learn what I must to live like I want to.