05-15-2015, 11:09 PM
(05-15-2015, 06:15 PM)gstanford Wrote: Low income earners don't give a flying fuck about what is and isn't best selling, they care about what they can afford to purchase. and reliability, Toyota's pickup trucks are the most reliable out there at any price, just like their passenger cars.
This tactic is known as "moving the goalposts" in the logical fallacies.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
This all started with you putting forth "stack'em high and sell'em cheap" being a time tested way to market, and me saying that in the USA, in several markets, it's the opposite of the best way to market because our people are prosperous.
I cited the auto market as one of my examples. You disagreed and said it still applies.
I proved you wrong by showing that 15 of our 20 best selling cars have a MSRP beginning above your $20K threshold for what you think the popular cars sell for.
Then things got weird with you saying things like:
1.Only "Southern redneck hillbillies" would want to drive a full size pickup.
I proved you wrong (again) by showing stats that four of our top ten best selling $50K+ luxury cars are indeed pickup trucks, which are a HUGE suburban craze here. I live in the suburbs, when I stand in my yard I see at least 6 full size pickups within a block of me. (not to mention the Tahoes, Suburbans, Lexus's, Range Rovers, BMWs) I also see on the news..yep..stories about how every one is buying expensive trucks. Yet you, stuck in a tiny country 9000 miles away, presume you know better.
2. You backtrack and try to say "only fools drive cars that cost more than $20K".
Guess what? Like most things in life, the more you spend, the better the purchase. Those of us buying the cars with MSRP over $40K aren't doing so to show off, we like bargains as much as the next guy, but for different reasons. When I was going to replace my 2010 full size pick last spring, I "considered" the $50K+ uber truck, but the dealer offered me one with a $40K MSRP for $32K, and I figured if I bought that I could afford to replace my 6 year old 150hp boat with a new 150hp boat and have two new toys instead of one. (and I can honestly say, we enjoyed the truck and the boat a whole lot last year)
3. You try to pawn off "All these vendors have a cheap car or two"
So what? It's not evidence cheap cars are the way to go when I post that Mitsubishis sales for the year, including their cars over $20K, are a small fraction of the sales of one full size truck. Similarly, while Toyota does indeed sell cracker boxes like the Yaris here, my other link showed they sell 4X as many $20K+ Camrys.
You're frantically trying to win an argument you lost from the start, and shouldn't have even been trying.
I've got news Greg. In the USA, even the poor often buy used, big SUVs to try to "look" rich. We value wealth as a culture, and chase it. Not to mention gas is $2.00 a gallon here so getting 15mpg doesn't really matter. You guys that pay $5-$6 a gallon have much more reason to care.