06-30-2015, 07:42 AM
I havent really talked about it too much but gsync is pretty phenomenal.
Some of the things that really blow me away:
1) lower framerate smoothness. 35fps feels like 60fps on my old panel. Of course you might expect the animation to stay pretty smooth, like the demo shows, but games feel way more responsive at lower framerates.
It has me scratching my head as to how this can be. Without Gsync, frame rates drop and the entire engine adjust the internal clock rate to try to keep the game timing from racing and slowing down. Its actually pretty fascination. Gysnc will start doubling up frames when the framerate goes down. I believe this has some effect on the game engine as well. Something is going on that blows me away. Without gsync, framerate goes down and you can feel the sluggishness just as much (or more) than you see it. The responsiveness/lag or whatever you may call it, these things suffer when framerates go down. Gsync, its magically gone. Framerates in the 30s and 40s not only look smooth, the game is much more responsive. Without a fps overlay, you would have no idea. Responsiveness/lag feels like your at frame rates much much higher.
2) Games with large swings in frame rates. Gsync is great in those environments. We keep getting more games that have these large sways in fps just by panning the camera or turning a corner. Gsync handles this pretty well.
Those are all i got time to talk about right now. #1 is the most impressive to me. People say gaming at over 60hz, you will never go back. Well, think that the lower framerate responsiveness impressed me far more than gaming at 100hz/100fps. Gaming at higher refresh rates is great but playing at 35- 40fps and have it feeling like frame rates twice is much...........now that is something you have to experience to appreciate
To me, that is by far the most impressive thing about gsync. I have a hard time understanding how freesync is supposed to be the same. Most freesync panels are limited and dont go that low. When they are in the 40s, the flicker and have ghosting. Then people say that its fine because no one would buy a >60hz panel and play in 40s. But, to me, i am scratching my head. That is one of the greatest things about gsync. The way low framerates feel like much higher framerates. It is a huge deal. Framerates bouncing low and higher, all while smooth... that is gsync in all its glory.
Playing at high framerates without tearing.......if you have a card that can produce a steady real high fps in a particular game, all you need is a high hz monitor. At high frame rates, the added latency of vsync is not much of an issue at all. who cares about 7-8ms.
I would say that avoiding tearing without adding latency is not what is great about gsync. But so many seem to think that is what it is about. I guess it is hard to convey the massive improvement at lower framerates, just discussing tearing to the layman is hard enough. But, if freesync doesnt nothing to improve lower framerate expierence, if you have to play at higher framerates...............it is nothing like gsync at all.
Let me just talk about one game, GTA 5.
Maxed out settings, TXAA and ultra grass. Played fine on my 980 until i got to the outskirts of the city. Then and there, the frame rate drops in the 30s and the expierence feels terrible. Going from 55-60fps (vsync) to sub 40 in a split second felt like a train wreck. Just trying to drive thru a field (in the 30s and 40s), felt so sluggish and just terrible. I tried changing to FXAA and turning off Nvidia shadows but those low frame rates were so terrible feeling i couldnt stand it. And as much as i loved the look of ultra grass, i just could not have it on. It was a bummer.
I found people with titanX were turning off ultra grass because of the real crappy feeling when the frame rate dropped. The game was so smooth in non grass lands and puke ugly in the outskirts. TitanX owners turning off ultras Grass in GTA 5.
Fast forward to my gysnc purchase.
I never found the gysnc montor that was perfect for me. But i ended up snagging an xb270H for merely 349 bucks. A friend gave me the heads up and the monitor was exactly as he said. Everything with the original plastic, no indication of any previous owners, perfect screen, no dead pixels. The only draw back, it is a 27 in 1080 panel. To me, it matters none. I dont have perfect vision and i was more interesting 144hz. The monitor is amassing. It really truly is. As my opinion. I figured a single 980 wouldnt be enough for high frame rates at a high resolution anyway, not without turning off/down settings- which i dont want to do.
I didnt know, and found out later, high Hz and frame rates are not needed for gysnc. Actually, sub 60fps feels like much much higher frame rates. And in all the freesync vs gsync debates, i think this gets lost. It is so impressive, i have no idea why. It may be that i visit the wrong sites to often, idk. I cant say enough about it though, it is a big huge ability. So much so, that now back in GTA 5. I play ultra settings and ultra grass, TXAA. Without vsync, my frame rates range from as high as the 80s to 30s depending where i am and what i look at. I can drive straight from the city (82fps), into the outskirts (45fps), into a grass field doing donuts (35fps). It doesnt matter, it is all the same. I cant even tell the frame rate drops, only the overlay tells me. Anyway, the difference is so huge that I dont think my words would do it justice.
A drastic difference.
The best part is that i just wasnt even expecting those kind of improvements. See, it is not just the animation appears smoother.......The responsiveness, the lag, getting out of the car and running, it just feels in every way like twice the frame rate.
So, now I am playing ultra settings/ ultra grass (in the grasslands) with a 980 no problem now.
Rollo, i would love to hear you feedback once you get your monitor. Please let us know
Some of the things that really blow me away:
1) lower framerate smoothness. 35fps feels like 60fps on my old panel. Of course you might expect the animation to stay pretty smooth, like the demo shows, but games feel way more responsive at lower framerates.
It has me scratching my head as to how this can be. Without Gsync, frame rates drop and the entire engine adjust the internal clock rate to try to keep the game timing from racing and slowing down. Its actually pretty fascination. Gysnc will start doubling up frames when the framerate goes down. I believe this has some effect on the game engine as well. Something is going on that blows me away. Without gsync, framerate goes down and you can feel the sluggishness just as much (or more) than you see it. The responsiveness/lag or whatever you may call it, these things suffer when framerates go down. Gsync, its magically gone. Framerates in the 30s and 40s not only look smooth, the game is much more responsive. Without a fps overlay, you would have no idea. Responsiveness/lag feels like your at frame rates much much higher.
2) Games with large swings in frame rates. Gsync is great in those environments. We keep getting more games that have these large sways in fps just by panning the camera or turning a corner. Gsync handles this pretty well.
Those are all i got time to talk about right now. #1 is the most impressive to me. People say gaming at over 60hz, you will never go back. Well, think that the lower framerate responsiveness impressed me far more than gaming at 100hz/100fps. Gaming at higher refresh rates is great but playing at 35- 40fps and have it feeling like frame rates twice is much...........now that is something you have to experience to appreciate
To me, that is by far the most impressive thing about gsync. I have a hard time understanding how freesync is supposed to be the same. Most freesync panels are limited and dont go that low. When they are in the 40s, the flicker and have ghosting. Then people say that its fine because no one would buy a >60hz panel and play in 40s. But, to me, i am scratching my head. That is one of the greatest things about gsync. The way low framerates feel like much higher framerates. It is a huge deal. Framerates bouncing low and higher, all while smooth... that is gsync in all its glory.
Playing at high framerates without tearing.......if you have a card that can produce a steady real high fps in a particular game, all you need is a high hz monitor. At high frame rates, the added latency of vsync is not much of an issue at all. who cares about 7-8ms.
I would say that avoiding tearing without adding latency is not what is great about gsync. But so many seem to think that is what it is about. I guess it is hard to convey the massive improvement at lower framerates, just discussing tearing to the layman is hard enough. But, if freesync doesnt nothing to improve lower framerate expierence, if you have to play at higher framerates...............it is nothing like gsync at all.
Let me just talk about one game, GTA 5.
Maxed out settings, TXAA and ultra grass. Played fine on my 980 until i got to the outskirts of the city. Then and there, the frame rate drops in the 30s and the expierence feels terrible. Going from 55-60fps (vsync) to sub 40 in a split second felt like a train wreck. Just trying to drive thru a field (in the 30s and 40s), felt so sluggish and just terrible. I tried changing to FXAA and turning off Nvidia shadows but those low frame rates were so terrible feeling i couldnt stand it. And as much as i loved the look of ultra grass, i just could not have it on. It was a bummer.
I found people with titanX were turning off ultra grass because of the real crappy feeling when the frame rate dropped. The game was so smooth in non grass lands and puke ugly in the outskirts. TitanX owners turning off ultras Grass in GTA 5.
Fast forward to my gysnc purchase.
I never found the gysnc montor that was perfect for me. But i ended up snagging an xb270H for merely 349 bucks. A friend gave me the heads up and the monitor was exactly as he said. Everything with the original plastic, no indication of any previous owners, perfect screen, no dead pixels. The only draw back, it is a 27 in 1080 panel. To me, it matters none. I dont have perfect vision and i was more interesting 144hz. The monitor is amassing. It really truly is. As my opinion. I figured a single 980 wouldnt be enough for high frame rates at a high resolution anyway, not without turning off/down settings- which i dont want to do.
I didnt know, and found out later, high Hz and frame rates are not needed for gysnc. Actually, sub 60fps feels like much much higher frame rates. And in all the freesync vs gsync debates, i think this gets lost. It is so impressive, i have no idea why. It may be that i visit the wrong sites to often, idk. I cant say enough about it though, it is a big huge ability. So much so, that now back in GTA 5. I play ultra settings and ultra grass, TXAA. Without vsync, my frame rates range from as high as the 80s to 30s depending where i am and what i look at. I can drive straight from the city (82fps), into the outskirts (45fps), into a grass field doing donuts (35fps). It doesnt matter, it is all the same. I cant even tell the frame rate drops, only the overlay tells me. Anyway, the difference is so huge that I dont think my words would do it justice.
A drastic difference.
The best part is that i just wasnt even expecting those kind of improvements. See, it is not just the animation appears smoother.......The responsiveness, the lag, getting out of the car and running, it just feels in every way like twice the frame rate.
So, now I am playing ultra settings/ ultra grass (in the grasslands) with a 980 no problem now.
Rollo, i would love to hear you feedback once you get your monitor. Please let us know