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[RolloTheGreat]

What created the universe then, gstanford?  That is the fundamental problem with the atheist's logic.  It just doesn't work.  We had to be created by something or someone.

Well, maybe. Again, that's "one" of the possible answers.

We don't know WAY too much to draw conclusions.

Is our "god" one of many, just the one in our corner of the universe?

Does matter spontaneously create itself?

Are we just so far down the food chain that we see the universe but can't understand what we're seeing? (E.G. An ant could watch me type this post, would have utterly no concept of the nature of what I'm doing. Similarly, we could observe some phenomenon like lightning and be totally incorrect about the nature of it because we have fundamental flaws in our science.)

It's one of my main problems with the Bible- it wraps things up in way too convenient a package, and an illogically anthropomorphic package at that.

God just happens to look like us and be pretty much like us, except he is eternal and can do whatever he wants just by wishing it so. We're his "children" and yay! That makes us pretty special by default!

Sure beats "Well we're the smartest monkeys on this rock" for self esteem.

BUT- I am smart enough to realize that if we were created by a "god" that wanted to give us a set of rules to keep us orderly, the rules and story would have to be dumbed down to our pathetic level.

So, it's one of the possible answers.