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96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 06-29-2017 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11585/western-digital-announce-bics4-96-layer-nand Quote:Western Digital on Tuesday formally announced its fourth-generation 3D NAND memory, developed as part of the Western Digital/Toshiba joint venture. The fourth-generation BiCS NAND flash chips from Western Digital feature 96 layers and will include several capacity points and will use TLC and QLC architectures. The company expects to start volume production of BiCS4 chips in 2018. https://www.techpowerup.com/234729/toshiba-develops-worlds-first-4-bit-per-cell-qlc-nand-flash-memory Quote:Toshiba America Electronic Components, Inc. (TAEC) today announced the latest generation of its BiCS FLASH three-dimensional (3D) flash memory. The newest BiCS FLASH device features 4-bit-per-cell, quadruple-level cell (QLC) technology and is the first 3D flash memory device to do so. Toshiba's QLC technology enables larger (768 gigabit) die capacity than the company's third-generation 512Gb 3-bit-per-cell, triple-level cell (TLC), and pushes the boundaries of flash memory technology. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-05-2017 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11590/toshiba-768-gb-3d-qlc-nand-flash-memory-1000-p-e-cycles Quote:Besides intention to produce 768 Gb 3D QLC NAND flash for the aforementioned devices, the most interesting part of Toshiba’s announcement is endurance specification for the upcoming components. According to the company, its 3D QLC NAND is targeted for ~1000 program/erase cycles, which is close to TLC NAND flash. This is considerably higher than the amount of P/E cycles (100 – 150) expected for QLC by the industry over the years. At first thought, it comes across a typo - didn't they mean 100?. But the email we received was quite clear: RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-25-2017 WD has achieved 3D QLC NAND: https://www.techpowerup.com/235447/western-digital-announces-four-bits-per-cell-x4-technology-on-3d-nand RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-09-2017 Samsung is working on a 128 TB QLC SSD, and other good stuff: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-flash-memory-summit,35180.html RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 12-08-2017 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/phison-e12-performance-numbers,36071.html Also read the rest about Phison's E12 controller, it's promising. Quote:We're starting to hear about 96-layer BiCS FLASH with an expected date of the end of 2018. There are also whispers of QLC coming from Toshiba at that time. The E12 will overlap with Toshiba's next generation memory. 96-layer QLC is a story for another day, but mid-year or at Flash Memory Summit looks to be a good time for companies to preview products based on the technology. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 01-15-2018 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-760p-660p-700p-specifications,36335.html Quote:Last but not least is the most interesting leak: In the middle of the chart is the Intel SSD 660p with 4-bit per cell (QLC) flash. The SSD 660p listing shows three capacities (512GB, 1TB and 2TB). The performance is much higher than we expected to see from QLC at right out of the gate. The leak says the 660p will achieve up to 1,800 MB/s sequential read and 1,100 sequential write speeds. The random performance clocks in at 150,000 IOPS for both reads and writes. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/marvell-qlc-nand-controller,36311.html Quote:The controller will be part of Marvell's next generation controller product family addressing consumer, cloud data center, and enterprise SSDs. In the consumer space, manufacturers can built add-in card or M.2 form factors. The new product family will have controllers that can run in an enterprise-focused dual port PCIe 3.0 x2 configuration, most likely in a U.2 form factor with two lanes each going to separate nodes (computers in the same server chassis). RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 01-24-2018 An interesting note on the future of 3D NAND: https://techreport.com/review/33135/samsung-860-pro-1-tb-solid-state-drive-reviewed Quote:Samsung's stacks of flash have tripled in height since then—the company recently announced its forthcoming fifth-generation, 96-layer V-NAND. That flash may mark the end of line for Samsung's layer jenga. The company has hinted it will likely be seeking future gains through means other than adding more layers. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 02-15-2018 Micron's QLC NAND SSDs start shipping to servers this year: https://www.techpowerup.com/241544/micron-to-release-qlc-nand-based-drives-in-2018-to-the-server-environment RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 05-16-2018 Maybe Samsung should reconsider their decision to not push 3D NAND beyond 96 layers: https://www.techpowerup.com/244224/international-memory-workshop-3d-nand-flash-to-reach-140-layers-by-2021 Quote:Applied Material's Sean Kang, speaking at Japan's International Memory Workshop (IMW), said that he expects future 3D NAND technologies to achieve 140 layers (up from today's leading 64-layer tech) by 2021. Increased numbers of layers will allow for increased die densities whilst keeping the same PCB real-estate and implementation area; at the same time, which is something the industry is craving for as data-sets only continue to increase in size. Before 2021 and its 140-layer NAND comes (which will require new fabrication materials), 90-layer solutions are expected to be launched this year, with a 20% decrease in layer height, down from its current 60 nm to 55 nm, which will allow for relatively stable stack heights, even as the number of layers increases significantly (by around 40% compared to 64-layer tech). Cheaper, more dense NAND tech - what isn't there to like? RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 05-22-2018 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/269644-microns-5210-ion-enterprise-ssd-packs-industrys-first-qlc-nand Quote:One interesting point Micron made to me when we spoke was that the endurance needs of SSDs are actually decreasing, in many areas, rather than increasing. At first glance, this might seem counterintuitive. After all, the amount of data we collectively create each year has been growing for years. As it turns out, however, more advanced operating systems that return more data on how much data is actually written to drives per day in enterprise deployments has shown that the number of writes is lower, in some cases, than was previously thought. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 05-30-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/244644/western-digital-reinforces-commitment-to-96-layer-bics4-3d-nand Quote:Even as researchers expect 3D NAND flash to achieve the 140-layer level by 2021, technology and manufacturers still have to take all the intermediate steps before we're actually there. In that sense, Western Digital has just announced that they're well on their way in producing 96-layer 3D NAND and distributing it to customers. For now, the memory will be used for inexpensive storage solutions, but the idea is to eventually ramp um production for other, higher-performance products. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 06-21-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/245365/micron-ready-with-96-layer-flash-1y-nm-dram-in-2h-2018 Quote:In their recent earnings call, Micron commented that they have 96-layer 3D NAND technology on track for volume shipments in the second half of 2018. Most of today's SSDs typically use 32-layer technology, with 64-layer flash chips used in some recent releases like the Crucial MX500. 96-layer is the third generation of 3D NAND and increases storage capacity per chip even further which allows smaller and more energy efficient mobile devices to be built. Of course it will be cheaper too, compared to current-generation 64 layer NAND, which should bring SSD pricing down even more, and of course generally help pricing of consumer products which use flash memory. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-10-2018 https://techreport.com/news/33886/samsung-mass-produces-fifth-gen-v-nand-with-over-90-layers Quote:Samsung has delivered another salvo in the race to ever-increasing NAND flash density and performance. The company has begun mass production of its fifth-generation V-NAND memory with "over 90" (likely 96) layers per die. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-21-2018 Toshiba develops 96-layer 3D QLC NAND: https://www.techpowerup.com/246124/toshiba-develops-96-layer-bics-flash-with-qlc-technology Intel starts production of 3D QLC NAND: https://www.techpowerup.com/246127/intel-starts-producing-3d-qlc-nand-flash-based-pcie-ssds-for-data-centers RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-21-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-wd-toshiba-qlc-ssd,37487.html Quote:Not to be upstaged, flash partners Toshiba and WD both announced their jointly-produced 3D QLC NAND yesterday in separate announcements. The announcements contained quite a bit more information, so we know that the new 96-layer BiCS4 flash has a density of 1.33 terabits2 per die. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-02-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/246414/qlc-nand-flash-based-intel-ssd-660p-could-lower-prices-of-pcie-x4-nvme-ssds Quote:The best part about the 660p is its performance numbers. The drive takes advantage of PCI-Express 3.0 x4, and offers (at least on paper), performance numbers identical to those of the pricier 700p. The drives read at speeds of up to 1800 MB/s, with up to 1100 MB/s writes. The 600p, in comparison, capped out at 560 MB/s sequential writes, while the 700p is only slightly higher, at 1200 MB/s. Random access speeds are up to 150,000 IOPS (both reads and writes). QLC pays off rich dividends to consumers by way of price/GB. The 660p 512 GB is expected to be priced at 113.90€ (0.22€/GB), the 1 TB variant at 197.75€ (0.20€/GB), and the 2 TB variant at 391.43€ (0.20€/GB). Not bad for launch prices, considering these are PCIe NVMe drives priced competitively with SATA SSDs. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-03-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-660p-qlc-ssd-price,37546.html Quote:Geizhals, a German online price comparison platform, revealed that the Intel 660p 512GB costs €112.90 ($131.11), while the larger 1TB and 2TB models go for €218.90 ($254.17) and €431.90 ($501.48), respectively. If we do some simple mathematics and divide the price by the capacity, it comes down to $0.25 per a gigabyte, which puts it right in the price range of a typical SATA SSD. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-06-2018 Samsung is mass-producing QLC SSDs in 1 TB, 2 TB, and 4 TB capacities: https://techreport.com/news/33969/samsung-begins-mass-producing-a-qlc-ssd-for-consumers RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-08-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-660p-qlc-nvme,5719-3.html Quote:Intel released the original 600p back in 2016 for nearly twice the price-per-GB as the 660p is today, but the drive was barely faster than the much cheaper SATA-based competition. The 660p changes that. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-30-2018 https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8629/11/toshiba-xg6-review-the-first-ssd-with-96-layer-3d-nand-conclusion Quote:All in all, we now have three high-end NVMe SSDs that rival each other: the Samsung 970 Evo, the WD Black 2018 and the Toshiba XG6. Each model has its own strengths and weaknesses, but overall they perform similarly. Coming from a situation where Samsung had exclusive rights in the high-end segment, that is obviously a very pleasant situation for the consumer. Also pleasing to consumers is that Toshiba has the potential to price the XG6 well below the competition, thanks to the implementation of its 96-layer BiCS 4 flash memory. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 08-30-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/247191/intel-micron-qlc-nand-yields-less-than-50-a-prelude-to-global-ssd-price-hikes If this were real, the 660p wouldn't have launched at such a low price. This is blatant price fixing. Quote:IMFlash Technologies (IMFT), the Intel-Micron joint venture that manufactures NAND flash and 3D Xpoint memory for use in Intel and Micron end-user products, and Micron Technology-branded NAND flash supply to other SSD manufacturers, is facing a big hurdle with its QLC NAND flash manufacturing ramp-up, which if not checked, could influence SSD prices globally. The company is apparently seeing dangerously low yields of less than 50 percent for its 3D QLC NAND flash memory. This effectively makes its QLC NAND pricier (in terms of $/GB) than current-generation 3D TLC NAND. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 10-03-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/248180/3d-qlc-woes-manufacturers-fighting-to-get-yields-above-50 Quote:According to DigiTimes, 3D TLC yields have only gotten off the ground in the beginning of this year - right around the time companies were rolling out their 3D QLC designs. And if TLC took longer than expected to achieve respectable yields, it seems that QLC memory will take even longer - we already knew that the Intel-Micron venture on QLC was facing less than 50% yields, but DigiTimes has now extended this struggle to what seems to be the entire NAND manufacturing industry (Samsung Electronics, SK Hynix, Toshiba/ Western Digital and Micron Technology/Intel). The result? Expected price fluctuations in the beginning of 2019, as predicted production volume fails to meet both projected and actual demand, with 3D TLC supplies having to cope with increased market demands. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 10-16-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/crucial-p1-ssd-qlc-nand-specs-pricing,37930.html Quote:The sun has risen a little early on Crucial's new P1 series SSD equipped with Micron's quad-level cell (QLC) NAND. Crucial hasn't announced the drive, but it's appeared on Amazon Japan as the "Crucial SSD M.2 500 GB P1 series Type 2280 PCIe 3.0 × 4 NVMe 5 year warranty CT 500 P 1 SSD 8 JP." More information has also become available via Crucial's UK website, but there still hasn't been an announcement for the U.S. market. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 11-06-2018 https://techreport.com/news/34238/sk-hynix-officially-launches-its-96-layer-3d-tlc-nand Quote:As traditional silicon scaling has stopped paying dividends for flash-storage density, NAND makers have packed more and more bits into their flash packages by layering more and more sheets of flash memory on top of one another. Today, SK Hynix is joining the elite 96-layer club with its "CTF-based 4D NAND flash." While that "4D" descriptor is purely fluff, the company is in fact producing many-layered charge-trap NAND (as opposed to the floating-gate tech favored by Intel and Micron). Those 96-layer stacks allow the company to pack 512 Gb (64 GB) of TLC flash into a single memory chip. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 11-22-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/249834/the-new-samsung-860-qvo-ssd-with-qlc-nand-gets-listed-online-will-be-cheaper-than-the-evo-family Quote:In October Samsung took the stage on its Tech Day event and announced its SSD roadmap. One of the key elements of that roadmap was the project to launch QLC (quad-level cell) SSDs, and now we've got more information on these products. Several European online retailers -French and Italian- have already listed the new Samsung 860 QVO units, which means their official availability is near us. The new SSD drives will feature the conventional 2.5-inch format with SATA interface, but the naming scheme changes from EVO or Pro to the new QVO, which stands for "Quality and Value Optimized SSD". Performance goes up to 550/520 MB per second for sequential read/write, and apparently these SSDs will feature 96,000 IOPS read and 89,000 IOPS write. There will be at least three variants: 1 TB (MZ-76Q1T0BW), 2 TB (MZ-76Q2T0BW) and 4 TB (MZ-76Q4T0BW), with prices of 117.50 euros, 225,96 euros and 451,93 euros (VAT excluded) according to those online retailers. Even with taxes included 19% would make 140, 270 and 540 euros), these are cheaper prices that the ones we can find on the Evo family (160, 380 and 850 euros at those storage capacities), for example. Some of these online shops mention December 2018 as the ETA. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 11-27-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-860-qvo-ssd,5920-3.html Quote:The 860 QVO delivers acceptable performance for a SATA drive. It isn't amazingly fast, but 860 QVO will perform similarly to other TLC SSDs in most real-world applications. However, it lands on the low end of the spectrum during some tasks. For instance, the Intelligent TurboWrite cache eventually fills during large file transfers, which slows performance. But that shouldn't be an issue for the target market. After the initial operating system clone to the drive or the first transfer of your games library, the Intelligent TurboWrite cache should be large enough for normal daily use (especially if you buy a high-capacity model). If you need more performance, the obvious choice is to move to a faster model, like the EVO or the PRO. https://techreport.com/review/34281/samsung-860-qvo-1-tb-ssd-reviewed/7 Quote:The 860 QVO lands in the company of Toshiba's RC100, a tiny sliver of NVMe storage that attempted to scrape by without a dedicated DRAM cache. Even with all its advantages, the 860 QVO couldn't turn in a better showing. We can make excuses for the QLC drive's performance in IOMeter, since those tests are designed to expose drives' weakness by filling them to capacity and subjecting them to extreme conditions. Applications with similar access patterns are not at all suitable to be run on budget consumer drives like the 860 QVO. But there are no excuses for the drive's showing in our real-world RoboBench tests. Despite leaving the 860 QVO plenty of room to let its Intelligent TurboWrite caching work its magic, the drive still just couldn't deliver. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 12-04-2018 https://techreport.com/review/34266/crucial-p1-500-gb-qlc-nvme-ssd-reviewed/7 Quote:There's two ways to interpret these results. One is that a PCIe drive has no right to be so slow, QLC is the worst, you can pry TLC from my cold, dead hands, etc. (substitute TLC for MLC or SLC depending on your personal level of snobbery). The other one is that the drive is just fine, and those lunatics at TR put this poor gumstick through tests no sane person would ask of a hundred-dollar consumer SSD. The drive was great in real-world tests, and that's all most people shopping client SSDs should care about. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 05-09-2019 https://www.techpowerup.com/255340/sk-hynix-begins-sampling-96-layer-4d-qlc-nand-flash-memory Quote:SK Hynix Inc., announced today that it has delivered samples of new 1Tb (Terabit) QLC (Quadruple Level Cell) product to major SSD (Solid State Drive) Controller companies. The Company applied its own QLC technology to its world's first 96-Layer "CTF (Charge Trap Flash) based 4D (Four-Dimensional) NAND Flash (or 4D NAND)." SK Hynix intends to expand its NAND portfolio to 96-layer-based 1Tb QLC products in time for the QLC market opening and strengthen its responsiveness to the next-generation high-density memory market. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 09-27-2019 https://www.techpowerup.com/259581/intel-shares-new-roadmap-for-optane-nand-including-144-layer-qlc-and-tlc Quote:Intel today at a press event in South Korea announced their plans for future product launches in the memory spaces. Optane is the name of the carriage Intel is pulling here - there's no novelty about that - and the company will be pushing a second generation release of Optane enterprise SSDs and Optane DC Persistent Memory modules. Most interesting for us down-to-earth PC enthusiasts, though - the market launch of 144 Layer QLC NAND in 2020, which should bring even lower pricing to NAND-based devices. Later, the company also plans to launch 144 layer TLC NAND solutions. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 02-11-2020 https://www.techpowerup.com/263770/intel-builds-10-million-qlc-3d-nand-solid-state-drives Quote:Last week, Intel's memory and storage group produced Intel QLC 3D NAND solid-state drive (SSD) number 10 million based upon the QLC NAND die built in Dalian, China. Production began in late 2018, and this milestone establishes QLC (quadruple-level cell memory) as a mainstream technology for high-capacity drives. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 05-13-2020 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-next-gen-ssds-optane-pcie-4 Quote:Going along with the current trend in NAND, Intel is stacking its flash memory to 144 layers. The technology is codenamed Keystone Harbor, and SSDs based on it are slated to debut in 2021. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 06-13-2020 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/311625-8tb-qlc-ssd-samsung Quote:Just over two years ago, Micron became the first company to launch commercial products based on QLC (quad-level cell) technology. Intel followed with consumer-facing products later in 2018. These drives can hold up to four bits of data per cell, but they pay for the additional capacity with lower performance and lower longevity; QLC drives do not support nearly as many program/erase cycles as TLC drives, which are not as robust or as fast as MLC drives. The drop in SSD prices last year may have hampered QLC’s adoption — with all types of NAND storage cheap, QLC didn’t stand out as clearly — but manufacturers are still moving to adopt the technology. Recent leaks on Amazon indicate Samsung is planning to leap into the fray, with SSDs at 1TB and 8TB capacities, the latter priced at just $900. RE: 96-Layer 3D NAND And QLC NAND - SteelCrysis - 07-23-2020 https://www.techpowerup.com/review/samsung-870-qvo-1-tb/14.html Quote:If we look at our synthetic testing, the Samsung 870 QVO does very well. It achieves excellent results, especially when it comes to random and sequential writes. Random and sequential reads are a little bit lower than some competing drives, but the differences are small. If the review ended here, I'd definitely give the Samsung 870 QVO a recommendation, but well, it does not. |