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Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 12-15-2015 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Anchorage-Alaska-Gets-Gigabit-Speeds-Before-Los-Angeles-135868 If Google was serious, they could have rolled out Google Fiber to all of their current cities by now. Quote:Alaska's GCI (see our user reviews) says the ISP has completed deployment of its ultra-fast "Red" gigabit broadband service to Anchorage. The company started its deployment of gigabit services in September and completed it at the end of November. The 1 Gbps downstream, 50 Mbps upstream service costs $175 a month, but according to the company's FAQ, GCI's Red gigabit service comes with a 750 GB usage cap. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 12-19-2015 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Towns-Start-to-Realize-ATTs-Gigabit-Fiber-Promises-Are-Hollow-135888 How much longer will it be before people realize that Google Fiber's promises are just as hollow? RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 12-19-2015 Nope, it has to do with the fiber-to-the-press-release that Google Fiber pioneered and never gets slammed for, whereas the other ISPs get slammed for doing the exact same thing on a smaller scale: announce fiber deployment to a city, actually deploy to close to none of it. If they were serious, they could roll out to an entire city in a matter of months. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 12-19-2015 My OP shows that GCI was able to deploy to the 300,000 people (http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk) of Anchorage, Alaska, in just a few months. Yet Google Fiber can manage only 1/3 of that in 3 years in Kansas City. That's pathetic. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 01-19-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Reach-24-Million-Homes-By-2018-136099 They also cite their previous article about how some anal-yst is fantasizing about Google Fiber, which was such a joke that I didn't even bother posting it here. Anyway, they're not going to reach 2.4 million homes by the end of 2017. I predict they won't have reached 1 million by that time. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-11-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Unveils-Atlanta-Pricing-Adds-50-100-Mbps-Option-136263 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Clearly-Nervous-About-Google-Fiber-in-Atlanta-136268 Despite Comcast being dubious on details, they get it absolutely right when they say "Don't fall for the hype," considering that Google Fiber is spreading like continental drift. Then there's this new price tier. It proves that Google Fiber has realized that it has generated enough hype for nearly everyone to think they can do no wrong, and that they can start relatively shortchanging people on bandwidth/$. From 1 Gbps at 70$ per month to 100 Mbps at 50$ per month. This had better not become a trend. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-25-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-is-Coming-to-San-Francisco-Sort-Of-136366 Now I'm worried. They're pulling an AT&T Uverse-style minuscule deployment using existing fiber lines. Quote:Google Fiber has announced it's starting to offer Google Fiber to select apartment buildings in San Francisco, using existing fiber. According to a Google Fiber blog post, San Francisco will be the 22nd metro area Google plans to offer some flavor service. To be clear Google Fiber's announcement makes no mention of a broader San Francisco build, only stating "some apartments, condos, and affordable housing properties" will be offered symmetrical gigabit service using existing fiber already deployed in the city. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-25-2016 The problem is that it's a virtual repeat of the fiber-to-the-press-release fiber releases by their competition. Their competition got slammed for doing virtually the same thing Google Fiber is doing in San Francisco, and it was always held up that Google Fiber deployed to cities. That precedent just got compromised. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-25-2016 Sure they did. They implied it by their statements that they were rolling out to cities. The fact that they got closer to this than the competition is what set them apart from the competition. That's been compromised now. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-26-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Who-Sonic-Brings-Fiber-to-Big-Chunk-of-San-Francisco-136376 Meanwhile, an ISP other than the holy Google Fiber deploys 1 Gbps fiber at $40 a month to 2 whole districts. No ticker tape parade, just Google Fiber lapdogs whining in the comments. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - BoFox - 02-26-2016 Not just SteelCrysis, but the author of this: Quote:Yesterday Google Fiber stole headlines with its announcement that it would be offering gigabit broadband to a few apartment buildings in San Francisco...some day. While the announcement was extremely light on details regarding price, full scope, and availability (read: virtually none), it overshadowed the launch of a significantly larger and cheaper San Francisco gigabit fiber deployment by independent ISP Sonic, one of the only viable survivors of the CLEC/ILEC wars of years past. SteelCrysis does have a valid point here. Google is already the most valuable company in the world, having just beaten Apple, but Google is pathetic with rolling out Fiber. I guess it's a good thing since Google is just too powerful of a company now. These corporate giants (Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, etc.) are blown up into super-giants these days, and anti-monopoly laws are no longer working against them. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-03-2016 What is it? AT&T's lawsuit? It isn't interesting to me. It's hard to get excited over yet another lawsuit. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-04-2016 What is it? I get my Google Fiber news from DSL Reports, and they haven't talked about whatever it is you're talking about. Or if they have, I've overlooked it. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-04-2016 Oh. I don't care to the point that I didn't notice it. It's Oregon's fault, not Google Fiber. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-15-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ISPs-Also-Blocking-Google-Fiber-Pole-Access-in-California-136481 It's a shame. What's nearly as bad is that Google Fiber wouldn't roll out much faster than not rolling out at all if the blocking didn't exist. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 04-27-2016 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-25/google-gets-beaten-to-the-punch-by-at-t-on-super-fast-broadband Quote:“There’s a lot more bark than bite” behind Google’s strategy, said Roger Entner, an analyst with Recon Analytics LLC. Of course, DSLReport's response is to spin, spin, spin! http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-is-Forcing-ISPs-to-Lower-Prices-Speed-Up-Service-136827 RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 04-28-2016 And the precedent of Google Fiber being deployed to cites rather than apartment blocks just got even more compromised: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Goes-Live-in-a-Tiny-Part-of-Nashville-136850 RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 05-12-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Insiders-Say-Company-Meeting-Targets-136937 Spin, spin, spin! Google Fiber expands at the rate of continental drift? Spin, spin, spin, and forget all about GCI's 3 month deployment to all of Anchorage, which they reported on! Also, I love Karl Bode's Freudian slip when he says "While Google Fiber is still derided on some fronts as all hype, the impact the service has had on competition (both real competition and conversations about it) can't be under-stated." Of course, the so-called "impact" has almost nothing to do with Google Fiber and almost everything to do with DOCSIS 3.1 upgrades. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 06-07-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/If-Boston-Got-FiOS-Will-Other-Forgotten-Cities-Follow-137130 Quote:Last month Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam told investors that Boston Mayor Marty Walsh's administration was "more willing to help us get rights of way, help us push fiber into the neighborhoods, and do more pre-subscription a la the Google model." That's effectively code for the fact that Google Fiber has made it cool to cherry pick certain neighborhoods, unlike the "olden days" where franchise agreements required a company service an entire city (again, not that Verizon actually did that). RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 06-17-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Blocks-Your-Right-to-Sue-in-Updated-TOS-137223 And Google Fiber continues its descent into scumbag behavior. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - BoFox - 06-17-2016 Corporations slowly but surely attacking civilizations!!! Soon, Google will be the next China, and Microsoft will be the next Soviet Union - both fighting to take as much of our own property as possible! Simple solution for America::::::: We the People appeal to the Supreme Court (metaphorically like a class-action lawsuit against ALL the companies), to make it ILLEGAL for companies to ever block class-action lawsuits again. If this is not ever possible, then companies are on the constant rise set to become as powerful as governments of many countries in Europe, all fighting for our personal stashes. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 06-17-2016 Good ideas, BoFox. Edit: According to one of the comments, you can still sue Google Fiber in small claims court. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 06-18-2016 https://consumerist.com/2016/06/16/google-fiber-copies-comcast-att-forces-users-to-give-up-their-legal-right-to-sue/ Quote:When reached for comment on this story, Google refused to explain its rationale behind this change to its user agreement. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 07-12-2016 In contrast to Google Fiber: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Suddenlink-Expands-its-Gigabit-Cable-Footprint-137381 Quote:The company has been quick to take a few shots at Google and AT&T for not having more uniform gigabit deployments.
RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SickBeast - 07-12-2016 Shockingly the local cable provider in my area now offers gigabit internet and I got a crazy promotion for 500mbps service. I have to say it's really wonderful. I can download large steam games in a few minutes. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 09:17 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Shockingly the local cable provider in my area now offers gigabit internet and I got a crazy promotion for 500mbps service. I have to say it's really wonderful. I can download large steam games in a few minutes.Congrats, dude!
RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SickBeast - 07-13-2016 Thanks!
RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 08-26-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750 https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber They expected ~5 million on Google Fiber in 5 years? You'd think that if they were serious, they could have achieved that with Google's countless billions backing them RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 10-07-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Argues-Against-Tougher-Broadband-Privacy-Rules-138049 Just in case anyone thought Google wasn't just another ISP. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 10-26-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Confirms-Layoffs-Some-Deployment-Pauses-138194 Quote:Google Fiber has announced that the company will be laying off an unspecified number of employees and pausing the deployment of ultra-fast broadband in several of the company's "potential" markets. According to a blog post by Access CEO Craig Barrett, Barrett will be stepping down from his role as Access CEO effective immediately, his replacement as-yet unnamed. Barrett also confirmed that Google Fiber will be pausing or ceasing fiber deployment in ten cities the company had previously claimed were "potential" markets. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 10-28-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Portland-Should-Probably-be-Pissed-About-Google-Fiber-Pause-138214 Quote:Earlier this week Google Fiber announced that the company would be "pausing" its deployment to a number of "potential" Google Fiber markets as it considers a pivot to wireless. While Google will continue to expand existing deployments and work on many of its just-started fiber launches, more than half a dozen cities that were in various stages of talks with Google on an eventual launch will be out of luck, and any existing Google Fiber employees in those cities laid off. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 10-28-2016 And the DSLReports article didn't mention that Google's internet division CEO has stepped down: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-fibers-ceo-is-stepping-down-and-the-company-is-halting-plans-to-offer-service-in-several-cities-2016-10 RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 10-31-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Moving-Forward-Despite-Cuts-138226 Quote:Google Fiber's decision to pivot to wireless and eliminate a small number of employees have stoked fears that Google has gotten cold feet about its massive bet on broadband. But the company continues to insist that the pause in deployment to the company's list of future "potential" Google Fiber launch markets like Portland are because the company is bullish on next-generation wireless broadband -- not because it's having second thoughts about challenging the entrenched incumbent broadband (mono)duopoly. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 12-10-2016 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Googles-Larry-Page-Got-Bored-of-Disrupting-the-Telecom-Sector-138508 Quote:Bloomberg offers up a few more details in a report on the ongoing shift at Google, noting that Alphabet CFO Ruth Porat is attempting to bring some fiscal "focus" to the Silicon Valley giant. The report indicates that while Google co-founder Sergey Brin was apparently still bullish on disrupting the telecom industry, Larry Page was supposedly "frustrated" by Google Fiber's lack of progress: RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 02-18-2017 http://gizmodo.com/what-happened-to-google-fiber-1792440779 A puff piece that seeks to scapegoat Google Fiber's continental drift-slow rollout on obstruction and costs, and ignores the following facts:
But it also has this: Quote:But that leaves the question: why is this shift happening now? A former Google Fiber employee told Gizmodo that he was surprised by what’s happening and that the company perhaps shouldn’t have been so thrown by incumbent providers like AT&T’s attempts to slow them down, saying these providers “always tried to block the process, which is why Google had spread itself out across a small number of metro areas. These are not new issues.” RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-08-2017 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Oregon-to-Kill-Gigabit-Tax-Break-After-Google-Fiber-No-Show-139095 More money went to Comcast, all thanks to Google Fiber not being serious. Yes, I have changed my mind from previously in this thread, because the situation did not make itself. Yet Google Fiber fanbois are still falsely blaming the other ISPs for obstructing and engaging in wild speculation. Reality shows that Google Fiber did not experience one peep of opposition until it came to Louisville. When Google Fiber didn't experience any opposition, it still rolled out at the speed of continental drift. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 03-20-2017 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Susan-Crawford-Google-Fibers-Backpedal-Provides-Useful-Lessons-139159 https://backchannel.com/google-fiber-was-doomed-from-the-start-a5cdfacdd7f2#.8io858nhs Another puff piece. Quote:The initial 2010 competition awakened cities across the country, unleashing a demand for fiber—and for change and choice—that has only grown since then.Wrong. What Google Fiber mostly did do was pioneer fiber-to-the-press-release, which other ISPs copied on a smaller scale. There's been some growth in fiber, but far too little to be celebrated. Quote:The company discovered how important it is to be on the ground, working with cities to simplify and rationalize creaky permitting structures and obsolete, status quo-protecting rules about wonky things like poles and conduit. Google Fiber’s 2014 city-readiness checklist provides guidance that’s broadly applicable to any fiber installation.None of which other ISPs have seemed to need. Quote:Where Google threatened to go, incumbent cable guys suddenly found it in their power to lower their prices. This showed that competition matters and the margins enjoyed by the existing monopolies are huge.And Google Fiber's lack of seriousness seriously limited the size of the impact. Quote:The company inadvertently made plain the problem of treating internet access like any other demand-prompted product, when its Kansas City installations failed to cross into historically redlined parts of the city. A utility serving everyone fairly doesn’t ask for payment and interest up front.Committing a problem is a strange way to highlight it. Quote:On the most basic level, lighting up Kansas City sparked imaginations around the country and made other mayors jealous.And then started screwing its Kansas City customers who were waiting significant times to get Google Fiber. How? Here's how: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-Fiber-Installs-Are-Being-Cancelled-in-Kansas-City-139175 Waiting up to 18 months only to have Google Fiber cancel your order on you is despicable. Quote:Waiting potential Google Fiber customers in Kansas City say their orders are being cancelled without much of an explanation from the company. Local news outlet KSHB in Kansas City spoke to a large number of customers on Google Fiber's waiting list in the city that received an e-mail stating their order had been cancelled. Many of these customers have been waiting since late 2015 -- as much as eighteen months -- for service, but the e-mail fails to really explain why they won't be getting it. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 04-03-2017 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Frustration-Mounts-at-Google-Fibers-Slow-Pace-NonAnswers-139281 Quote:You can add Salt Lake City residents to the growing list of would-be customers frustrated by the slow pace of Google Fiber's deployment. Locals in the city are frustrated by the sparse availability of the service more than two years after the project was first announced. The Deseret News notes that the company refuses to provide specific information on how many Salt Lake residents have service, in what order Salt Lake neighborhoods will be receiving service, or how long it will take to complete the work of establishing access to Google Fiber service citywide. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 04-08-2017 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Yet-More-Executives-Leave-Google-Fiber-139324 The rest of the article that I don't quote is more excuse making and comments. And actually, those people in Kansas who were waiting have been waiting up to 18 months, not years. Quote:Google continues to shuffle around executives after announcing last fall that it was laying off its CEO, pausing some of its fiber expansions, and pondering a potential shift from fiber to wireless. According to Bloomberg, Milo Medin, a vice president at Access (already downgraded from CEO), and Dennis Kish, a wireless infrastructure veteran and president of Google Fiber, are leaving the division -- but staying at Alphabet/Google. Bloomberg cites anonymous inside sources that say the moves are part of more than 600 employees that have been moved away from Google Fiber. RE: Ultimate Proof That Google Fiber Is Not Serious - SteelCrysis - 04-21-2017 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Charter-Runs-Ads-Mocking-Google-Fiber-Struggles-139382 Charter has a really good point. From the source that DSLReports links to: Quote:To some extent, Google Fiber had it coming. It took small deposits from customers who waited for years — often passing up discounts from the competition in the meantime — and then told them this spring that it wouldn’t hook them up to its speedy fiber-optic lines any time soon. |