AMD has lost their marbles!

[RolloTheGreat]

You don't like nepotism and cronyism yet you have posted in the past how you would purchase a subway for your son to run if he couldn't get himself a job....

Ocre, Trump's wealth came from his father, that wealth is what gave him power and he has friends and people he knows outside of politics which gave him the power to ignore the establishment.  Surely you aren't clueless enough to actually believe what you typed above?

As for me having no answer for the truth, that is fucking amusing when I've already laid the truth on the table and all the ostriches here (Trollo, Ocre) want to do is bury their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

You "kind of" have a point there, but that would be a last resort if he proved unemployable.

I don't believe the world is what you say it is and that if he finishes a university degree, he'll be able to find a job sooner or later.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

Government statistics show 97% of college grads employed with a median wage of $1100/week in 2015.

http://colleges.startclass.com/stories/1...employment

In general college grads can work, but it might take them time to get to a "good job". I can help Rollo Jr smooth out the cash problems until he gets on his feet (subsidize rent/car) easier than buying him a Subway.

(And Mrs. Rollo is death on the Subway idea, LOL)

[ocre]

You "kind of" have a point there, but that would be a last resort if he proved unemployable.

I don't believe the world is what you say it is and that if he finishes a university degree, he'll be able to find a job sooner or later.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

Government statistics show 97% of college grads employed with a median wage of $1100/week in 2015.

http://colleges.startclass.com/stories/1...employment

In general college grads can work, but it might take them time to get to a "good job". I can help Rollo Jr smooth out the cash problems until he gets on his feet (subsidize rent/car) easier than buying him a Subway.

(And Mrs. Rollo is death on the Subway idea, LOL)

Does your Will not leave your wealth to Rollo Jr which transfers on to him once his parents pass? OMG!!! Heresy

What a terribly rigged system!!! How dare you!!! Get the pitchforks!!! Burn them all to hell!!!!



of course it is our duty to raise our kids and try to give them the best we can. We want to give our children not only the best we can but also push those same values into them. I want my kids to work hard at life too and to give their kids the best they can. Help them grow and become as successful as they can possibly be. For them to achieve and accomplish the things they aim to do in like...

but i guess there is something wrong with that. i guess rollo, we got it wrong:

You should be giving all your extra cash and possessions to _________ instead.
When you pass, all your wealth and assets acquired during your entire lifetime should go to _______ instead.

The appropriate word that should fill in those blanks is??

1) "Gstanford" - yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Some hostile guy across the world that completely despises you and is overrun with bitterness.

2) "the government" - cause the people like you who actually pay taxes are not paying their fair share. LOL!!!

3) Perhaps all your assets could allow the US give more money to Australia. http://beta.foreignassistance.gov/#/search
Perhaps Australia could then stop this ever increasing greedy streak and start increasing their contributions to foreign aid. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-09/pi...sh/7494968

For a guy who feels obligated to trash the US president, maybe he should focus on his own country. Sure seems there is a lot more fruitful things that he could be fighting for right there in Australia rather than some silly idea that Trump was handed all the success and achievements in his life. You know, like the many who make such ridiculous claims, its very doubtful he even knows his fathers name without looking it up. In order for his father to give him everything, it would certainly have to mean his father was at least as big or bigger. Fred was nowhere near as rich and was virtually an unknown- in the US and around the world. He was a carpenter who worked his way up into the construction business and then real estate. Fred worked hard to get where he was but his riches paled in comparison. His accomplishments were isolated, not world wide..not nation wide, not even state wide.

Its real clear that some people dont understand how to be successful. If the countless curse of winning the lottery stories arent enough, anyone can be given money but few will make successful businesses out of it. The "smart" lottery winners live off the interest with their money sitting there. More often than not, their money is completely mishandled with a shameful stories of complete and utter incompetence.

Anyone can be given money but only a tiny few turn that into a successful business. To build a multi-billion dollar empire that spans across the globe, its extremely rare with the odds highly against it.

[ocre]

Did you even fucking read what I wrote you witless moron?!  I'm talking about people who went to trade school/college and got the certificate(s) that qualify them to do the jobs the employers are advertising and they still lose out not because they don't have the knowledge but because they aren't in the employers "who I know" list.

Did you know that in about 80% of cases employers already know exactly who they are going to hire, they just go through the motions of advertising the position so they can claim they have a fair and open recruitment process (when it is actually anything but!)

witless moron?

No need for name calling, is there? Especially ironic since you are calling him trollo while resorting to name calling.. and more ironic neither of those (moron, witless) really apply to rollo. He is witty and the complete opposite of a moron.

AS for the trade school and collage claim. My company is now working with high schools because we have had a hard time getting skilled labor for advance manufacturing and its a problem that spans across our country. There is no buddy buddy system at play, not a chance.. not whatsoever.
They are trying to get kids to sign up on the program, the ones that do get tested. Those test scores are used to qualify kids getting a fully paid tuition in the fields needed, which takes about 2yrs. Not only that, they allow these kids to come and work in the field to make money a few days a week, they have worked with the community collages so that the kids only go to school 2 or 3 days a week for 2 years. And when it is all said and done they start working in the field making 60k (starting wages) right off the bat. No one knows these kids before hand. They sign up, test and then get collage paid, a job while going to school and end up with a career making 60-80k a yr.

Heck, tradesmen jobs are paying 100k in some areas of the US. Even here, once they top out (2.5yrs) they can make 90k if they like overtime.

the stuff you are saying gstanford is completely wrong. Having friends will get you further in life, no doubt about it. But it is not everything in life is pointless- all who you know.

In certain fields, with an abundance of able people where only a few positions exist. There has been over the years huge groups of kids graduating with degrees where only a fraction of them are needed cause that many jobs do not exist.
I remember when everyone was told to go to school for "computers" and each year thousands would graduate trying to get an IT job when hardly any jobs existed after school. That was a major misguided push from older people who didnt understand. Many graduate to not find jobs because they chose paths with few opportunities. If a person goes into a field that is saturated with capable bodies, one that has way more people vs the amount of open positions- they better be extremely special cause they are gonna have to work extra hard to prove they are more worthy.

But those cases dont make what you say true because across the board, in the usa...you couldnt be more wrong when it comes to trades and skilled labor. Heck, Mike Rowe (from dirty jobs) has started a nation wide campaign to push for more kids to go the trade school route because the hole is so big that many are missing this huge opportunity to make a very decent living. He sites +100k salaries for welders in many parts of the country. Many people in trade fields are working tons of overtime because the need for bodies far exceeds the available pool across the nation.

but, i guess this is must be a usa thing. Maybe Australia is different? guess that should be checked

[ocre]

You don't like nepotism and cronyism yet you have posted in the past how you would purchase a subway for your son to run if he couldn't get himself a job....

Ocre, Trump's wealth came from his father, that wealth is what gave him power and he has friends and people he knows outside of politics which gave him the power to ignore the establishment.  Surely you aren't clueless enough to actually believe what you typed above?

As for me having no answer for the truth, that is fucking amusing when I've already laid the truth on the table and all the ostriches here (Trollo, Ocre) want to do is bury their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

i was given nothing from my parents. They didnt pay for my school, didnt leave me a dime. No home or place to live, not even my first car. I was handed nothing and grew up dirt poor to the degree most would never know.

i built my self up two times, going from nothing to great success. loosing it all and rebuilding in an entirely new area with a completely brand new slate.

my head is not in the sand, gstanford. It the things you are insisting that are nonsense

[RolloTheGreat]

You don't like nepotism and cronyism yet you have posted in the past how you would purchase a subway for your son to run if he couldn't get himself a job....

Ocre, Trump's wealth came from his father, that wealth is what gave him power and he has friends and people he knows outside of politics which gave him the power to ignore the establishment.  Surely you aren't clueless enough to actually believe what you typed above?

As for me having no answer for the truth, that is fucking amusing when I've already laid the truth on the table and all the ostriches here (Trollo, Ocre) want to do is bury their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

i was given nothing from my parents.  They didnt pay for my school, didnt leave me a dime. No home or place to live, not even my first car.  I was handed nothing and grew up dirt poor to the degree most would never know.

i built my self up two times, going from nothing to great success.  loosing it all and rebuilding in an entirely new area with a completely brand new slate.  

my head is not in the sand, gstanford.  It the things you are insisting that are nonsense

No doubt.

People willing to work can get ahead in the USA. My wife is in management at the firm she works for and I asked her how much "who you know" affects who is hired there, the answer was "not at all". Where I work they actually pay for referrals like a lot of big companies do, but a lot of our hires are not referrals.

When I think of all the people I know who got their jobs without referrals I have to think that 70-80% statistic comes from sites like Linked In that make their living off social networking. In my years in the work world I've never seen referrals the majority.

[RolloTheGreat]

Did you even fucking read what I wrote you witless moron?!  I'm talking about people who went to trade school/college and got the certificate(s) that qualify them to do the jobs the employers are advertising and they still lose out not because they don't have the knowledge but because they aren't in the employers "who I know" list.

Did you know that in about 80% of cases employers already know exactly who they are going to hire, they just go through the motions of advertising the position so they can claim they have a fair and open recruitment process (when it is actually anything but!)

witless moron?

No need for name calling, is there?  Especially ironic since you are calling him trollo while resorting to name calling.. and more ironic neither of those (moron, witless) really apply to rollo.  He is witty and the complete opposite of a moron.

AS for the trade school and collage claim.  My company is now working with high schools because we have had a hard time getting skilled labor for advance manufacturing and its a problem that spans across our country.  There is no buddy buddy system at play, not a chance.. not whatsoever.
They are trying to get kids to sign up on the program, the ones that do get tested.  Those test scores are used to qualify kids getting a fully paid tuition in the fields needed, which takes about 2yrs.  Not only that, they allow these kids to come and work in the field to make money a few days a week, they have worked with the community collages so that the kids only go to school 2 or 3 days a week for 2 years. And when it is all said and done they start working in the field making 60k (starting wages) right off the bat.  No one knows these kids before hand.  They sign up, test and then get collage paid, a job while going to school and end up with a career making 60-80k a yr.    

Heck, tradesmen jobs are paying 100k in some areas of the US.  Even here, once they top out (2.5yrs) they can make 90k if they like overtime.  

the stuff you are saying gstanford is completely wrong.  Having friends will get you further in life, no doubt about it.  But it is not everything in life is pointless- all who you know.

In certain fields, with an abundance of able people where only a few positions exist.  There has been over the years huge groups of kids graduating with degrees where only a fraction of them are needed cause that many jobs do not exist.  
 I remember when everyone was told to go to school for "computers" and each year thousands would graduate trying to get an IT job when hardly any jobs existed after school.  That was a major misguided push from older people who didnt understand.  Many graduate to not find jobs because they chose paths with few opportunities.  If a person goes into a field that is saturated with capable bodies, one that has way more people vs the amount of open positions- they better be extremely special cause they are gonna have to work extra hard to prove they are more worthy.

But those cases dont make what you say true because across the board, in the usa...you couldnt be more wrong when it comes to trades and skilled labor.  Heck, Mike Rowe (from dirty jobs) has started a nation wide campaign to push for more kids to go the trade school route because the hole is so big that many are missing this huge opportunity to make a very decent living.  He sites +100k salaries for welders in many parts of the country.  Many people in trade fields are working tons of overtime because the need for bodies far exceeds the available pool across the nation.

but, i guess this is must be a usa thing.  Maybe Australia is different?  guess that should be checked

Thanks, kind of you to say.

I've heard and seen similar on the skilled trades forecast, and my dad always told me whatever the best paid welder in town made he would pay them more because he wanted the good welders in the factory he was GM of. He always said skilled welders are key to a company that welds and you want them happy and not to have any reason to leave.

I think he'd stroke out if you suggested to him he should have been hiring people based on who they know, companies can't survive staffed by dumbasses.

It's even more true these days.

You know why you see a lot of dumbasses in the work world GStan and Dave? Because there a more dumbasses than smart people and good help is hard to find. You sure don't turn it away to hire somebody's friend or relative.

[SteelCrysis]

I think he'd stroke out if you suggested to him he should have been hiring people based on who they know, companies can't survive staffed by dumbasses.

Anti-Microsoft bigots would beg to differ. Not that they have credibility.

[RolloTheGreat]

I think he'd stroke out if you suggested to him he should have been hiring people based on who they know, companies can't survive staffed by dumbasses.

Anti-Microsoft bigots would beg to differ. Not that they have credibility.

I can pretty much guarantee MS isn't staffed by nepotism or favorites.

Too many hires, too much at risk.

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstan is right, it is who you know not what you know.

I've seen the most incompetent, know nothing bafoons in multi-million dollar jobs strictly because of who they know or silver spooner generation passed down to generation.

I call "shenanigans".

A. People like you and I aren't near people in multimillion dollar jobs. We're not high enough in the food chain to have contact such folk.

B. As noted in the other thread, companies are self serving and want the best staff for the least they can pay.

[RolloTheGreat]

LOL!  I'll believe Dave every time over Trollo! (except when Dave posts about UFO's   )

That's because you're not very smart GStan. I've said it before and I'll say it again:

You'd rather believe a lie or rumor from someone you like than the truth from someone you dislike.

Me, my wife, my dad- part of a lot of hires either as decision maker or part of committee.

Dave- angry guy who quit degree in middle, and has spent life discriminated against because of it. Dave is a smart guy but this one mistake changed his whole life.

[dmcowen674]

Gstan is right, it is who you know not what you know.

I've seen the most incompetent, know nothing bafoons in multi-million dollar jobs strictly because of who they know or silver spooner generation passed down to generation.

I call "shenanigans".

A. People like you and I aren't near people in multimillion dollar jobs. We're not high enough in the food chain to have contact such folk.

B. As noted in the other thread, companies are self serving and want the best staff for the least they can pay.

You know you are a strange sad rose colored glasses dude. Not only have we been around many multi-millionaires but there are family members that are multi-millionaires so we know first hand how that doesn't mean they share in the wealth.

[RolloTheGreat]

That's because you're not very smart GStan.

Blow it out your arse you greedy fuckwitted corporate shill!

Sorry, Gstan, you just miss the big picture on a lot of stuff when it doesn't fit your "They're all out to screw me/the little guy" world view.

How COULD 70-85% of all jobs being going to incompetent relatives? If 70-85% of all hires were incompetent, no none could stay in business and services wouldn't be provided.

Look at NVIDIA. Do you think they're creating best on the planet tech with 70-85% incompetent relatives? If so, you're not smart, and probably high to boot.

You own some sort of pc building store, right? Going to give your wife's nephew a job in it if he's a dumbass over a good tech? Why not? Business is all a game where the owners know they'll make as much money if not more hiring bad employees, right? Won't matter if your competitor hires the good tech that gets things done fast and right, and your nephew is telling all your customers they need a new motherboard because he's figured out if you do a total reinstall usually things work, right?

That's why I say you're not smart, your ideas aren't just wrong, they're counter-intuitive to what rational people would do.

You've been living with this hate so long it has warped your perception.

There are certainly people in the world that use connections to get jobs, but at the end of the day the work needs to get done efficiently and correctly. There is ALWAYS a job open for skilled people with a good work ethic somewhere.

OK, now you can go back to swearing at me like a drunken bum in the gutter and telling yourself that I can't possibly be right.

[dmcowen674]

LOL!  I'll believe Dave every time over Trollo! (except when Dave posts about UFO's   )

Until you experience one in person you would be a non-believer.

Similar to paranormal as well.

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstan is right, it is who you know not what you know.

I've seen the most incompetent, know nothing bafoons in multi-million dollar jobs strictly because of who they know or silver spooner generation passed down to generation.

I call "shenanigans".

A. People like you and I aren't near people in multimillion dollar jobs. We're not high enough in the food chain to have contact such folk.

B. As noted in the other thread, companies are self serving and want the best staff for the least they can pay.

You know you are a strange sad rose colored glasses dude. Not only have we been around many multi-millionaires but there are family members that are multi-millionaires so we know first hand how that doesn't mean they share in the wealth.

Maybe they don't share it for the same reason my dad didn't hire his brother when he needed a job. (it's not good business, causes tension and exodus among other staff you need)

No clue how you're rubbing elbows with all these captains of industry given what you do for a living, but OK. Not like you're going to be a member of the private country and dinner clubs. (or me either)

I still don't believe all the good jobs go to relatives and friends because in my world and life those hires have been the exception, not the rule.

No rose colored glasses, just simple understanding that people by nature are self serving and don't fuck themselves and their companies by hiring the worst candidates as a general rule. If the people hired are as qualified but known or related, sure.

[ocre]

What can I say?  Our current conservative government sucks.  I never voted for them.

I'm not bitter, I don't get where you and Trollo think I am, I just tell it like it is.  Unfortunately The plain truth is rarely pretty and telling it tends to ruffle feathers (yours and Trollo's).

The plain truth?

You just dont know what you are talking about but you will ague to people who actually have first hand knowledge.
thats strange.

I Am tired of going on and on. I told you my experience which is at odds, Rollo has given plenty as well.

so now, i will end this,,,, indisputable:



Glassdoor sifted through 440,000 job interview reviews posted to the site since 2009, analyzing how people landed their interviews and whether or not those interviews ultimately led to jobs.

And the results are in: Based on Glassdoor's numbers, your chances of getting an accepting an offer are a "statistically significant" 2.6% to 6.6% higher if you were referred by a current employee than if you weren't.


In some ways, that's a reassuringly small number — it is indeed still possible to get hired with no connections whatsoever. In other ways, though, that statistically significant 6.6% only confirms what we all already know: Connections matter, and yes, you should go to that industry thing tonight. Or as Glassdoor chief economist Andrew Chamberlain puts it, "there's no good substitute for shoe leather methods."

Think of it this way, he suggests: "Boosting the odds of getting a job offer by roughly 5% would mean on average that 1 in 20 workers gets a job offer who wouldn't have otherwise gotten one." And if you're looking at a large group, that could mean thousands of job matches that wouldn't happen otherwise.


http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-exa...job-2015-8

2.6 to 6.6% !!!!! we are talking about a massive study, with a huge ass sample size of a half a million jobs. And it is massive proof that not only are you wrong, but so so wrong. You exaggerations and pessimistic outlook has crashed together making you completely irrational and totally wrong.

we have the data, not mine or rollo. A shit ton of data from the real world gstanford. on the far side of the study, the high side. at worst......

1 out of 20 jobs were a result of knowing someone. Its only who you know, 1 out of 20 times gstanford.

Now lets see if you will completely ignore real data from real life, hundreds and hundreds of thousands... half a million case study, a massive amount of data. Are you gonna still deny and argue this? you cant possibly think that somehow your imagination over rides all this proof? Its okay to be wrong every once and awhile.

[RolloTheGreat]

He likes it better if you call him GStan.

GStan, it is OK to be wrong and learn from others.

And the fact the system isn't rigged doesn't mean you're somehow inadequate if you're not rich and famous.

Just means you're an average battler like the rest of us, not really rich, not really poor.

[ocre]

He likes it better if you call him GStan.

GStan, it is OK to be wrong and learn from others.

And the fact the system isn't rigged doesn't mean you're somehow inadequate if you're not rich and famous.

Just means you're an average battler like the rest of us, not really rich, not really poor.

I have to denounce this statement. The concept of the system being rigged is larger than this conversation. Specifically, what i am talking about shouldnt be posed as proof against that entire concept. its not proof against it.

There is still for sure evidence and unequivocally I will say there is truth in the idea of a rigged system. I dont get this broad brush being used, its more obstructive than it helps.

I did not prove the system isnt rigged. Lets keep it in the context of what I have been talking about, specifically.

Since gstanford was talking about trade jobs and such specifically, he could be proven wrong easily. And while i agree that most people can work towards a decent existence and can do well if they put their energy and mind in the right way.

It is true, your example of a person or a couple dedicated with their mind in the right state to achieve success.

But, a million dollars...thats nothing compared to the real wealth of the top bracket. The elite do exist and they are not a welcoming bunch. The top of empires and their boards, to politicians and the true elite... its not pretty. A cut throat elite world that very few will ever know.

but


thats nothing to do with a person being able to have a decent life and a decent accomplishment. If someone is looking at the trillionares with jealousy and envy, thinking its not fair and they dont have a chance.....well, thats probably true. You and I, we will never have such success. it is entirely out of our reach. But, we dont call it rigged because we understand that there is no gain in focusing on what we dont have. Its not empowering.

We understand that we can work and have a decent life, we see it and live it.

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstan and Dave were just talking about jobs in general though, the focus of the conversation wasn't "Woe is me I can't join the top 3%".

If it was, that be even easier to disprove. At no point in history have people been made fabulously wealthy for doing most jobs, or just existing.

Even if that did occur by some miracle, inflation would remove the value of the money. Its the very fact most don't have money that gives it purchasing power. If everyone made a million a year a million a year would be worth $50k today's money.

" This sucks I can't get the multimillionaire jobs" is a child's fantasy argument.

[RolloTheGreat]

GStan: "I applied for a job to be CEO of one of Trump's companies because the $15,000,000. a year salary sounded better than the $50,000. a year I make now. Even though I have years of experience running my one man computer store, they gave the job to one of Trump's sons!"

Dave: "See the system is rigged! If I had a $15,000,000. a year job that was the final say on whether $300m of my assets endures, I would certainly risk the money on someone I had no ties to and had no education or relevant experience! What the Hell is wrong with these people?!"

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstan and Dave were just talking about jobs in general though, the focus of the conversation wasn't "Woe is me I can't join the top 3%".

If it was, that be even easier to disprove. At no point in history have people been made fabulously wealthy for doing most jobs, or just existing.

Even if that did occur by some miracle, inflation would remove the value of the money. Its the very fact most don't have money that gives it purchasing power. If everyone made a million a year a million a year would be worth $50k today's money.

" This sucks I can't get the multimillionaire jobs" is a child's fantasy argument.

Hell no, its not about "I can't join the top 3%" for most common folk its "I can't join - period!".  Even when they go and do their studies and get their certificates.

GStan,

Ocre posted a huge survey with a lot of statistical power that showed the system ISN'T rigged for 94%+ of people.

I posted statistics that showed low unemployment rates for college grads and much higher median salaries.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorf...0a907f502c

You're just wrong about this, and you were never close to being right.

I would note it doesn't take university learned research skills to obtain the information necessary to speak intelligently about the topic.

You're on a computer, you know what Google is.

Yet you foolishly say "I will believe what Dave says over government statistics Rollo cites!".

What does that say about how smart you are?

Time to grow up and be an adult GStan.

If you post government statistics or a huge study like Ocre's that is opposite to what I've said, you know what I would post in response?

"Hmmm. I guess I was wrong."

THAT is a key component to intelligence GStan. Being able to learn and admit you were wrong.

[ocre]

Hell no, its not about "I can't join the top 3%" for most common folk its "I can't join - period!".  Even when they go and do their studies and get their certificates.

I posted information that you should look at, there has been a huge study on this. No more need to speculate. If you totally ignore the real insurmountable data then you are deliberately lying and spouting misinformation.

I will even slide towards your side and be forgiving in the degree to which you spoke to say that you were not entirely wrong. That who you know matters.....heck, the article and study both go that far. It is statistically relevant but the reality is miles away...heck galaxies away from what you keep insisting. This study was massive, it tracked almost a half a million jobs from the initial interviews till ultimately being hired or not. It was extensive and thorough.

The results are clear and accurately tell us that "who you know" is at play 2.6% to 6.6% of the time. It is not a factor 93.4% to 97.4% of the time.

1 job out of 20.

This info has been made available to you so many times now.

[ocre]

There are people graduating everyday that dont find jobs. But that is a strawman in this situation.

People getting degrees or going into fields that dont have many openings, thats been a big problem. Its still a big problem.

It is nothing to do with "who you know"

[RolloTheGreat]

There are people graduating everyday that dont find jobs.  But that is a strawman in this situation.  

People getting degrees or going into fields that dont have many openings, thats been a big problem.  Its still a big problem.  

It is nothing to do with "who you know"

Even they are better off than the folks without degrees as they can still apply for all the jobs that have a non specific degree required. (E.G. A lot of sales jobs say degree required or preferred)

And as I've said before, a kid with a degree that gets a job in a mailroom becomes a known commodity and can be considered when job he/she is qualified for open up.

[RolloTheGreat]

There are people graduating everyday that dont find jobs.  But that is a strawman in this situation.  

People getting degrees or going into fields that dont have many openings, thats been a big problem.  Its still a big problem.  

It is nothing to do with "who you know"

I addressed both your points in earlier posts.  

1) These aren't degrees, these are trade college certificates

2)The jobs these certificates apply to aren't rare, they are common-place and mostly entry to intermediate level.  Plenty of them advertised most days.

People aren't failing to land these jobs due to a lack of skills or effort put in, they fail because of "who you know".

Not to mention quite a few companies would rather you didn't have any previous existing knowledge/certification, they want you to be trained in-house to do things their way.

That may be how it is in the land down under, but everything I've seen lately here points at a shortage of trade certificate folks resulting in better wages for them ( and more demand) then many university degrees. Skilled labor is in high demand here, if it isn't there you should move here.(and get 1070s for less than you pay for 1060s)

[RolloTheGreat]

https://www.adeccousa.com/employers/reso...in-demand/

That doesn't say,"Oi. A bloke has to marry the boss's daughter who looks like a koala bear to get a job at battler wages" now does it?

[ocre]

There are people graduating everyday that dont find jobs.  But that is a strawman in this situation.  

People getting degrees or going into fields that dont have many openings, thats been a big problem.  Its still a big problem.  

It is nothing to do with "who you know"

I addressed both your points in earlier posts.  

1) These aren't degrees, these are trade college certificates

2)The jobs these certificates apply to aren't rare, they are common-place and mostly entry to intermediate level.  Plenty of them advertised most days.

People aren't failing to land these jobs due to a lack of skills or effort put in, they fail because of "who you know".

Not to mention quite a few companies would rather you didn't have any previous existing knowledge/certification, they want you to be trained in-house to do things their way.

honestly, that is not at all the case in side of the country. I dont argue for the sake of arguing gstanford. Your view is completely off the rails here, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO TRADE CERTIFICATES. Which we have a huge issue in the US right now over.

Its not that people arent landing trade jobs due to the "who you know" concept, its completely wrong...t least in the US.

WE are having a huge issue in even getting skilled people. MY company pays for kids all the way from high school, pays their schooling and gives them jobs where they do nothing but show up and get paid. They invest
mountains of cash in hopes they just finish the program so we can have the skilled labor we need.

And the gap between who is out there with certificates and what we need is huge. WE dont have the able bodies and are paying handsomely for kids, their entire schooling....

I already brought up mike rowe and his NATION WIDE CAMPAIGN on this subject.

SO STOP THE LIES ALREADY. ITS NOT TRUE GSTAN,

http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

The mikeroweWORKS Foundation is a 501©(3) public charity that rewards people with a passion to get trained for skilled jobs that actually exist. As CEO of the Foundation, Mike Rowe spends a significant amount of time speaking about the country’s dysfunctional relationship with work, highlighting the widening skills gap, and challenging the persistent belief that a four-year degree is automatically the best path for the most people.

http://profoundlydisconnected.com/foundation/

YOU are even more wrong on the trade school front.

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstan will never admit he's wrong, it is not his nature.

Instead he will post "Social media site says all jobs now found on social media site, join today" or "Frederick Platypus II takes over family boomerang factory" and then start yelling, "
See?!?! I told you fucktard moron asshole wankers!!!!" and go kick a dog that is trying to befriend him.

There's an old saying, "Mean as a plowed up snake" and it pretty much applies to Gstan.