11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

[dmcowen674]

Being on the ticket as VP again is also on the table

[BoFox]

What if Trump backs off at the very last minute (right before the final presidential debate), and tells everybody that Palin is going to take his place as the Republican candidate for President??

[SteelCrysis]

What if Trump backs off at the very last minute (right before the final presidential debate), and tells everybody that Palin is going to take his place as the Republican candidate for President??

As funny as that seems, in principle it would be good to have a woman running for President for a change.

[dmcowen674]

Billary down to 30% Bernie up at 63% Looking like she won't get the nomination again.

[RolloTheGreat]

What if Trump backs off at the very last minute (right before the final presidential debate), and tells everybody that Palin is going to take his place as the Republican candidate for President??

As funny as that seems, in principle it would be good to have a woman running for President for a change.

A. Race, sex, and sexual orientation have nothing to do with who should be good for an office job.
B. I've never voted for a Democrat in 30 years of voting, but when Palin was on McCains ticket I almost did.

Palin would be a joke as a president.

[SteelCrysis]

A. Race, sex, and sexual orientation have nothing to do with who should be good for an office job.
B. I've never voted for a Democrat in 30 years of voting, but when Palin was on McCains ticket I almost did.

Palin would be a joke as a president.

All of that is true. It's just my own preference to see some woman other than Palin run for President.

[RolloTheGreat]

A. Race, sex, and sexual orientation have nothing to do with who should be good for an office job.
B. I've never voted for a Democrat in 30 years of voting, but when Palin was on McCains ticket I almost did.

Palin would be a joke as a president.

All of that is true. It's just my own preference to see some woman other than Palin run for President.

If there's a woman more qualified than the current candidates, sign me up.

I will say this:

One of the things I liked about Obama's presidency was that he was a role model for a group of kids that statistically speaking have needed role models. Not as much now as days gone by, but I love how Obamma shows African American kids that they literally can be whatever they want to be in this country if they're willing to do the work.

Same would be true for Billary, although there are more women going to college now than men, so I think they may have figured this out to a greater extent than young African American men.

Obama is also proof positive the country isn't as racist as some (Ahem..Dave) seem to think it is.

In general, we've made HUGE strides in diversity in the last 40 years and I think people just need to remember that ideas, and ignorance, don't die overnight.

[SteelCrysis]

If there's a woman more qualified than the current candidates, sign me up.

I will say this:

One of the things I liked about Obama's presidency was that he was a role model for a group of kids that statistically speaking have needed role models. Not as much now as days gone by, but I love how Obamma shows African American kids that they literally can be whatever they want to be in this country if they're willing to do the work.

Same would be true for Billary, although there are more women going to college now than men, so I think they may have figured this out to a greater extent than young African American men.

Obama is also proof positive the country isn't as racist as some (Ahem..Dave) seem to think it is.

In general, we've made HUGE strides in diversity in the last 40 years and I think people just need to remember that ideas, and ignorance, don't die overnight.

I will also say this: it also takes support from the powerful in society to effect permanent change. I reckon the black civil rights movement had the foundation laid for its permanent success by the actions of Presidents Roosevelt and Truman. Roosevelt broke a racist strike against black transit workers in Philadelphia in 1944, and Truman desegregated the armed forces in 1948. It took 2 years to work out the details for that and start to implement it, just in time for one of my great-uncles to head off to Korea with one of the first black units to be integrated. He was one of only 5 white people in the entire unit at one point.

Truman got elected in 1948 on a civil rights platform without the votes of the South. That right there was a powerful wake-up call to the politicians that supporting civil rights was politically achievable.

[SickBeast]

I don't like Hilary Clinton actually. I never have. I can see why the guy from Vermont appeals to so many people. As crazy as Trump is I can see why people like him as well. That's the great thing about democracy. The people decide and they are never wrong. If enough people vote for Trump there will be a reason for that. The same goes if the democrats win.

As you guys know I have my own views and I'm probably way off to the left compared to all of you. I will say though that we live in special places where the people decide who is the boss. It's great and I'm looking forward to seeing who you guys all choose down there.

[RolloTheGreat]

If there's a woman more qualified than the current candidates, sign me up.

I will say this:

One of the things I liked about Obama's presidency was that he was a role model for a group of kids that statistically speaking have needed role models. Not as much now as days gone by, but I love how Obamma shows African American kids that they literally can be whatever they want to be in this country if they're willing to do the work.

Same would be true for Billary, although there are more women going to college now than men, so I think they may have figured this out to a greater extent than young African American men.

Obama is also proof positive the country isn't as racist as some (Ahem..Dave) seem to think it is.

In general, we've made HUGE strides in diversity in the last 40 years and I think people just need to remember that ideas, and ignorance, don't die overnight.

I will also say this: it also takes support from the powerful in society to effect permanent change. I reckon the black civil rights movement had the foundation laid for its permanent success by the actions of Presidents Roosevelt and Truman. Roosevelt broke a racist strike against black transit workers in Philadelphia in 1944, and Truman desegregated the armed forces in 1948. It took 2 years to work out the details for that and start to implement it, just in time for one of my great-uncles to head off to Korea with one of the first black units to be integrated. He was one of only 5 white people in the entire unit at one point.

Truman got elected in 1948 on a civil rights platform without the votes of the South. That right there was a powerful wake-up call to the politicians that supporting civil rights was politically achievable.

Agreed. Events like those and JFK sending federal troops to remove governor Wallace from the university doorway while he was saying "segregation forever!" were the beginning of the generally good climate of tolerance we have now.

People will probably always have fear and ignorance over those who not share their race, religion, culture, or sexual orientation, but we've come a LONG way to making it better.

I have a DREAM SteelCrysis, and in that dream Rollo Jr. will know a world where GStan will accept his Xbone as a valid gaming choice, like his PS4. In my dream, GStan will think my Sierra is every bit as good of a car as his Yaris!

[SickBeast]

In my dream Rollo requires a licence in order to use the Internet.

[BoFox]

What if Trump backs off at the very last minute (right before the final presidential debate), and tells everybody that Palin is going to take his place as the Republican candidate for President??

As funny as that seems, in principle it would be good to have a woman running for President for a change.

Trump only wants to do the fun part.  That's all.  Born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, spoiled playboy needs to run back to his brothel in Las Vegas when things get too serious.

[RolloTheGreat]

In my dream Rollo requires a licence in order to use the Internet.

How sad for you that you can't win a debate with me with your mental abilities, moderate me, or have me legislated out of your life.

[SickBeast]

Are you suggesting that you require moderation? Maybe Dave can help you with that. My mod powers are strictly reserved. I did use them once on gstanford and I paid the price. I had to beg Dave multiple times to get them back and now that he finally did he somehow gave them to you as well.

[BoFox]

Dave, could you please change our titles to something different?  Is it possible for us to just choose our titles by customizing it?

[SteelCrysis]

That's Dave own way of MAM (Mutually Assured Moderation).

[SickBeast]

So wait a second. I lobbied all that time to get my mod powers back and now you want to rename me? What do you think our titles should be, BoFox?

[BoFox]

You could even use the title, "Executioner". 

I just like custom titles!  "Super Moderator" is getting boring to me by now (and so is my avatar...  gotta look for another one!)

[SickBeast]

We need to have a consensus amongst the mods.

[BoFox]

Ok, have it your way for a while..  but let me have my own custom title soon, please?  2 weeks is about all I can take, lol  haha.

[SickBeast]

LOL

[dmcowen674]

Trumps pulls out of GOP debate because of Fox Moderator Megyn Kelly

[SickBeast]

We need a consensus amongst the mods. I actually think making Rollo a mod was BoFox's brain child. We will see where that one goes.

As for Trump, I think he is going to have a broad appeal in the USA regardless of whether or not he does this interview. He is invincible in a way. It reminds me of when Bush got elected.

[SteelCrysis]

I wouldn't call Reagan a prize clown, although he had his share of goof ups.

[SickBeast]

Realistically when you think about it, these Republican leaders are basically guys like Rollo with a ton of money. So just picture Rollo running for office. That is the mentality these guys have. So IMO they have to have a bit of a screw loose. It requires a certain level of selfishness to be a Republican.

[RolloTheGreat]

Realistically when you think about it, these Republican leaders are basically guys like Rollo with a ton of money.  So just picture Rollo running for office.  That is the mentality these guys have.  So IMO they have to have a bit of a screw loose.  It requires a certain level of selfishness to be a Republican.

Dependency does no one any good.

Look at the 3rd, 4th, 5th gen welfare families. Do you think their kids are better off than my son, having two parents who are each capable of supporting a middle class household as role models? "You go sign up at the government, and they take money from others to feed and house you. Working is too hard."

Look at women who opt to stay out of the career world and then get dumped into it when their marriages break down like half of all marriages do. How does that end up for most of them?

Personally I disagree with the Republicans on a LOT of issues. (abortion rights, religion in govt, gun rights, gay marriage, immigration laws) The Supreme Court decided on abortion, and I don't want a return to women dying in back alley abortions because they got drunk at a party or on a date and made bad contraception choices. I believe in religious freedom but separation of church and state. (render unto ceasar what is ceasars) I don't think everyone should be walking around packing firearms like the 1800s. I think gay people should have the same marital rights as anyone else, they're consenting adults not harming anyone. I think we have perfectly fine immigration laws that need to be enforced at the employer level, not by building walls. I don't think those people are what threaten the economy, I think trade laws that made importing and outsourcing more profitable than employing our own are the threat.

But underneath it all, I think you can NOT make the focus of government redistributing wealth to the poor. Government should exist to provide a safe infrastructure for business to operate in and for people to be trained to be in business.

Underneath it all is the simple truth that most of the wealth brought into the nation comes from business, most of the money that runs society comes from businesses, and most of the money that makes our neighborhoods and towns nice places to live comes from business.

If the money isn't there, you get things like what's going on in Detroit and Flint. Society scrambling to maintain services without money, huge chunks of the population poor.

Business HAS to be job one for government, and the Dems have never convinced me they see business as anything but a piggy bank to raid and give money to people who have none.

I want people to have dignity and jobs, because we are all doomed if they don't.

[RolloTheGreat]

Won't be too much longer before nobody outside of emergency services has a job because computers and robots will have replaced everyone in the workforce and that is where your theory will come flying apart.

People need to make and program computers and robots.

Some jobs require independent thought. (most worth having) Computers and robots require operators.

Automation transforms the workforce, creating and removing opportunities and it's always been that way.

[RolloTheGreat]

Hmmm, 320 million odd citizens in the USA currently.  lets say 60% are working age, thats 192 million people needing employment.  You think that programming computers and robots will need 192 million workers?!

I'd be shocked if it required more than 1 million.  Machine learning is beginning to take off.

That's because like a lot of uneducated people, you speak from a negative, uninformed perspective.

http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/01/IDC-so...developers

There were 3.5m software developers in the USA in 2014.

You underestimate the opportunity that will be created, over estimate the reduction in the workforce due to automation because this meshes with your "we're all doomed" world view.

[BoFox]

I wouldn't call Reagan a prize clown, although he had his share of goof ups.

What's for sure is that he was a puppet of Goldman Sachs (for example:


I thought the President was supposed to be boss?

[BoFox]

Ok, have it your way for a while..  but let me have my own custom title soon, please?  2 weeks is about all I can take, lol  haha.

Don't know what the fuss is about, nobody is stopping you.  Perhaps you don't know how?

Just click on your username somewhere in the forum.  You should get the page in the link below.

http://i.imgur.com/B4xHxBg.jpg

Then click the "Edit this user in Mod CP" link.  You should get the page below.

http://i.imgur.com/QNcwt40.jpg

The part highlighted red is where you can change your title.

Using the Mod CP to alter anyone elses profile is an abuse of your mod powers, don't do it!  (suspending signatures of suspected spammers and removing any URL's from suspected spammer profiles excepted).  Moderator actions are logged, so there is no hiding any abuse.

Thank you so much!!  

[BoFox]

We need a consensus amongst the mods.  I actually think making Rollo a mod was BoFox's brain child.  We will see where that one goes.

As for Trump, I think he is going to have a broad appeal in the USA regardless of whether or not he does this interview.  He is invincible in a way.  It reminds me of when Bush got elected.

You giving me too much credit for something that I had absolutely no idea was going to happen!!!   LOL  you crack me up!!

[BoFox]

Realistically when you think about it, these Republican leaders are basically guys like Rollo with a ton of money.  So just picture Rollo running for office.  That is the mentality these guys have.  So IMO they have to have a bit of a screw loose.  It requires a certain level of selfishness to be a Republican.

Dependency does no one any good.

Look at the 3rd, 4th, 5th gen welfare families. Do you think their kids are better off than my son, having two parents who are each capable of supporting a middle class household as role models? "You go sign up at the government, and they take money from others to feed and house you. Working is too hard."

Look at women who opt to stay out of the career world and then get dumped into it when their marriages break down like half of all marriages do. How does that end up for most of them?

Personally I disagree with the Republicans on a LOT of issues. (abortion rights, religion in govt, gun rights, gay marriage, immigration laws) The Supreme Court decided on abortion, and I don't want a return to women dying in back alley abortions because they got drunk at a party or on a date and made bad contraception choices. I believe in religious freedom but separation of church and state. (render unto ceasar what is ceasars) I don't think everyone should be walking around packing firearms like the 1800s. I think gay people should have the same marital rights as anyone else, they're consenting adults not harming anyone. I think we have perfectly fine immigration laws that need to be enforced at the employer level, not by building walls. I don't think those people are what threaten the economy, I think trade laws that made importing and outsourcing more profitable than employing our own are the threat.

But underneath it all, I think you can NOT make the focus of government redistributing wealth to the poor. Government should exist to provide a safe infrastructure for business to operate in and for people to be trained to be in business.

Underneath it all is the simple truth that most of the wealth brought into the nation comes from business, most of the money that runs society comes from businesses, and most of the money that makes our neighborhoods and towns nice places to live comes from business.

If the money isn't there, you get things like what's going on in Detroit and Flint. Society scrambling to maintain services without money, huge chunks of the population poor.

Business HAS to be job one for government, and the Dems have never convinced me they see business as anything but a piggy bank to raid and give money to people who have none.

I want people to have dignity and jobs, because we are all doomed if they don't.

I agree with gstanford, in a way.  If we all leave it to business, then it's still a balancing act with global capitalism sorting out its own equilibrium (to the detriment of the US - unless we don't consider it a detriment for the US to have its per capita GDP reduced to that of China).

Corporate workforce migration to China and India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Mexico, and Nigeria will not slow down this century.  Business is already job one for government (look at how we're nearly demolishing Russia's economy right now because Russia was spending a ludicrously disproportionate amount on military and building oil pipelines to China) - despite pissing off the oil giants like Shell, Exxon, etc.  The government is actually the largest business - and also the most humanitarian one when we think about it (passing anti-pollution laws when companies did everything they could to fight against such, imposing anti-monopoly/antitrust laws, and so on...).  Yet, the government isn't always so wise with business - especially with doing tax incentives instead of directly subsidizing the workers.  Trade laws hardly exist to protect our workers as well.  Let's just be constructive and fix such gravely flaws rather than bashing the poor ex-workers who are merely victims of unfettered global capitalization taking its own course. 

One thing for sure is that work-replaced automation is growing faster than the workforce needed to create robots and manage automation.  Just now, I saw a Burger King with its own touchscreen menus, next to the 2 cashier registers left on the counter - offering a 3% discount if we use the automated system (it probably actually profits the restaurant at least 10% if we bypass the cashiers and do the job by ourselves).  Burger King!!!  It's no longer just the grocery stores, Walmart, Home Depot/Lowes..

Reduced workforce needed thanks to technology has already been taking place since the 1800's (less farmers needed, etc.), but we never had the overseas workforce migration problem until recently, and it's not slowing down anytime soon until the government is bankrupt and completely controlled by ruthless corporations that are in love with China's lax environmental and business laws - like America's own Goldman Sachs taking control of Reagan, it'll be China's finances taking control of us all.....   unless we fix this problem in America real quick (follow Germany's model for example, with stricter trade laws and more liberalized support for college education - PLUS subsidize not just the farmers but the rest of the workforce that are at risk of being replaced with overseas labor).

[RolloTheGreat]

I ordered off an ipad at LaGuardia airport recently, but someone still had to cook and bring me my food.

GStan's "I Robot" future won't be arriving in 2016.

The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036.

AFAIK the "learning" they do is created by inputs their original programmers had to code for.

GStan has been watching The Terminator movies too much and dreaming about the great robot takeover.



Watch out for those lasers GStan!

[SickBeast]

I'm actually dreaming about a forum where gstanford and Rollo can get along.

[RolloTheGreat]

The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036

You don't know that!  I'll bet you are dead wrong and that they are actually doing so well before then!

[SickBeast]

Did Rollo seriously just call someone else insane in the brain? Isn't Rollo the same guy who said the water crisis in Flint was a "non-partisan" issue and basically gave the Republican turkey a free pass? And now he is calling gstanford insane in the brain?

I will tell you, Rollo, some people may be insane in the membrane, but you are the one that's insane in the brain.

[RolloTheGreat]

Did Rollo seriously just call someone else insane in the brain?  Isn't Rollo the same guy who said the water crisis in Flint was a "non-partisan" issue and basically gave the Republican turkey a free pass?  And now he is calling gstanford insane in the brain?

I will tell you, Rollo, some people may be insane in the membrane, but you are the one that's insane in the brain.

I can't believe they let a half wit like you teach children. Makes me throw up in my mouth the way you use a tragedy that damaged children to hiss snotty childish comments about Republicans.

[RolloTheGreat]

I don't know, I block all embedded youtube content by default, so I never see it.

He is insane though.  He thinks his future is so secure and that he will retire a millionaire.  He won't see the loss of his own job coming and it will a rude and terrible shock to him when it happens.

Yeah, I'm sure my doom is near GStan and you'll get the last laugh.

[SickBeast]

Did Rollo seriously just call someone else insane in the brain?  Isn't Rollo the same guy who said the water crisis in Flint was a "non-partisan" issue and basically gave the Republican turkey a free pass?  And now he is calling gstanford insane in the brain?

I will tell you, Rollo, some people may be insane in the membrane, but you are the one that's insane in the brain.

I can't believe they let a half wit like you teach children. Makes me throw up in my mouth the way you use a tragedy that damaged children to hiss snotty childish comments about Republicans.

You see, that's the thing. You are not only insane in the membrane, you are also insane in the brain. I think it's only natural to want to hold someone accountable for such a horrible mistake that had such drastic consequences on so many people. The guy needs to go to jail IMO. So please forgive me for condemning someone who's so cheap that they would jeopardize the health and well being of hundreds of thousands of people. You keep turning a blind eye if you want. I don't want these idiots in my government and neither should you. All you seem to care about is keeping some extra cash in some rich guy's pocket. Oh noes! If I pay 1% more taxes some of it will go to slackers! Noooo! The horror!

[SickBeast]

Here, read this from the governor's own emails if you still think he was not to blame:

"the documents provide a glimpse of state leaders who were at times dismissive of the concerns of residents, seemed eager to place responsibility with local government and, even as the scientific testing was hinting at a larger problem, were reluctant to acknowledge it."