SickBeast's console gaming thread

[RolloTheGreat]

So my listing available games for the systems is somehow shilling yet your bragging about how M$ owns the game publishing industry and developers and could buy Sony out tomorrow isn't?!

 

Yes.

I think just based on Sony's low market cap MS could buy controlling interest with cash in the bank.

As far as the publishing industry, I posted links to valid sources that PC gaming sales are greater than all of console gaming, so it stands to reason MS has a bigger market than Sony. (who only has a large piece of console gaming)

[RolloTheGreat]

Microsoft only publishes under microsoft games studios and games for windows/live for PC, they have sweet fuck all PC game market share compared to other publishers.

Ah. So in your "mind", as thee owners of Windows and DX they are unrelated to the gaming industry?

No, they aren't the largest publisher, but they control the largest platform.

[RolloTheGreat]

So fucking what?!  They don't get any money from EA when EA sells a PC game!

Like a lot of people, you don't see the "big picture".

When EA sells a PC game they marry a user to MS's core product. In the home market, that is a big deal because there are lots of browsers, office apps, etc that aren't MS products. (not to mention OSs) So having games developed for DX is a big part of MSs client retention strategy I would guess.

I'm not going to waste time Googling it, but I think they even straight out said at one point the whole Xbox thing is a "loss leader" for them. Just another incentive for devs to code for DX and.....wait for it...wait for it....marry people to their core product that they make billions on.

You see GStan, in the business world few people have your batshit crazy view of "success".

Gstan success:

"Nabisco sells twice as much Country Time lemonade as their nearest competitor and made $200 million dollars last year! Nabisco is the king!"

While Pepsi Co sells half as much Brisk, makes $20 billion, and just uses lemonade to reinforce the brand.

[RolloTheGreat]

Oh, I see the big picture just fine unlike you who doesn't see anything beyond the balance sheet.

That is the truly sad part about you - you measure the success or worth of something in money and ignore everything else.  A shockingly sad and ignorant way to live your life.

Yes, I am probably the ONLY person in the world who would call Microsoft a successful company compared to Sony....just me and every other person on the planet not named "GStan".

GStan, XBones are selling better than 360s did. XBones have a 47.5% piece of the XBone/PS4 market in their biggest market, the USA. (the only market that matters to me, don't really care what you guys are up to- we invent all the tech in North America)

You can hate on XBones all you want, but from what you post, I think you're nuts.

[SteelCrysis]

"We are all Americans."
Ely Parker, April 9, 1865, Appomattox Court House, Virgina. He was a Seneca Native American. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Greg.

[RolloTheGreat]

Hmmm. Could have sworn all the CPUs, GPUs, and software I've ever used were designed right here, in the good old USA.

And what did we see the other day? That the USA is 40%+ of the console market and nowhere near that in population?

Microsoft is a big player in the US economy, 118,000 US families depend on them. (not to mention the people who sell to them)

http://www.statista.com/statistics/27347...ince-2005/

A "little picture, edge of the world" guy like you probably doesn't understand that, but I get that those are people with good jobs spending money in our economy. Something to be preserved, not chucked aside for,"Wah. These 5 games I like run at 900P instead of 1080p, and if I had the 1080p running next to it I might be able to tell the difference!Wah."

[SickBeast]

Greg if you knew anything about American history you would know that the Americans had to fight against their British overlords in order to be able to form the country they have today.  So aside from the boat ride over, Americans don't owe Europe anything.  If anything we should be thankful for the Americans finally getting rid of the monarchy and bringing about a system of democracy that changed the world forever.

[RolloTheGreat]

Greg if you knew anything about American history you would know that the Americans had to fight against their British overlords in order to be able to form the country they have today.  So aside from the boat ride over, Americans don't owe Europe anything.  If anything we should be thankful for the Americans finally getting rid of the monarchy and bringing about a system of democracy that changed the world forever.

SickBeast FTW!

GStan is probably busy fapping looking at the Queen on Youtube:

[SickBeast]

Greg if you knew anything about American history you would know that the Americans had to fight against their British overlords in order to be able to form the country they have today.  So aside from the boat ride over, Americans don't owe Europe anything.  If anything we should be thankful for the Americans finally getting rid of the monarchy and bringing about a system of democracy that changed the world forever.

I know the history of America and the Boston Tea Party and the Civil War.  Doesn't alter the fact you came from Europe (even the Canadians).

Australians come from Europe as well. In fact Australia was a penal colony at one time. What is your point?

[SteelCrysis]

"We are all Americans."
Ely Parker, April 9, 1865, Appomattox Court House, Virgina. He was a Seneca Native American. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Greg.

You can try saying that, but your DNA tells a different story (unless you are a full blooded native american)....

My origin doesn't matter. Parker realized that. Considering that he was Native American, that should be good enough for you.

[SickBeast]

Rollo could be African for all you know. Or Asian.

[SteelCrysis]

Why can't you accept a Native American stating the unity of all who live in the USA?

[SickBeast]

Greg I think it's popular to pile on the Americans the way you do but I have to respectfully disagree with you. The USA does a lot of good in the world. They spread freedom and democracy. I have no issue with Americans and I think all this anti American rhetoric needs to stop. I don't know why there is such a focus on them. Perhaps it's because they have been left to deal with all the world's problems ever since World War 2. It's easy to sit back and blame them yet it hasn't been your country's blood being spilled to protect the freedom of the world. I have a lot of respect for Americans. I think a lot of the bashing has been created by the media. It's quite sad actually.

[SickBeast]

World War 2 would not have been won without the Americans.

[SteelCrysis]

Not necessarily. I've read somewhere that 2/3 of the Soviet Union's motor transport was supplied by Lend-Lease. And don't get me started on Albert Speer's view of how the Allied bombing offensive drained German resources away from the Eastern Front.

[SteelCrysis]

Of course the Allies cause wasn't helped by France keeling over the second the Nazi's said boo either....

Well, it took them 6 weeks to fall. They were hampered by bad strategy and tactics. Spreading out your tanks isn't a good idea. Neither is presuming that the Ardennes Forest is impassible to tanks.

[BoFox]

Console thread turned into WW2 thread, FTW! 

Edit - I beat Company of Heroes (the first one, not the 2nd one)..  in all of its DX10 goodness back in 2008 or 2009 with my 8800GTXes, with 8x TRSSAA - and felt that it was more educational than my AP European History class in high school!

[BoFox]

USA has a population of 318.9 million according to google, europe has a population of 742.5 million.

The combined European economy is larger than that of the USA.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/charts...?r=US&IR=T



Not only that but European consumers are wealthier on average than consumers in the USA



As for everything being invented in America - that is bullshit!  Most of your inventions came out of Nazi Germany!  And computers came from Europe - Britain to be precise - colossus being the first programmable turing architecture computer ever, build to crack the german enigma code.  Every mainstream computer since then has built upon the principles it established thanks to Alan Turing a (British) European!

So blow that out your arse you ignorant, arrogant American fuckwit!

Oh and one more barb for you - unless you are a pure-blood native American indian your roots go back to somewhere other than the USA - in your case most likely to Europe!  North America and the USA would be nothing without Europe - literally!

Wow, interesting graphs - China's GDP surpassing the US now?!????  We're no longer #1!!???!!!???

European household consumption spending go up like batshit crazy during the 2000 decade?!!!!  Hmmm!  Europeans must've gotten bored with the 2-hour lunch breaks and wanted something to do with their money.  Things cost a lot more in Europe anyway..

But it doesn't mean Europeans are wealthier on average than the US guy.  Otherwise, 2x population would roughly translate to 2x GDP.

[SickBeast]

Perhaps all that socialism is why Europe has half as much GDP per capita compared to the USA.

[RolloTheGreat]

Perhaps all that socialism is why Europe has half as much GDP per capita compared to the USA.

No way! Why wouldn't people want to work harder to pay for other kid's college, deadbeat's food and shelter, and hippie's healthcare?!

That's why I get up in the morning!



You may be on to something SB. If you were a really rich guy, would you want to stay where they take all your money and give it to the poor?

How about if you were a couple that each made $100K?

If they're going to tax you down to $110K both working, but leave you $80K if one works, are you each going to work for $55K of your $100K, or will one of you retire and you both live on the $80K?

[SickBeast]

Perhaps all that socialism is why Europe has half as much GDP per capita compared to the USA.

No way! Why wouldn't people want to work harder to pay for other kid's college, deadbeat's food and shelter, and hippie's healthcare?!

That's why I get up in the morning!



You may be on to something SB. If you were a really rich guy, would you want to stay where they take all your money and give it to the poor?

How about if you were a couple that each made $100K?

If they're going to tax you down to $110K both working, but leave you $80K if one works, are you each going to work for $55K of your $100K, or will one of you retire and you both live on the $80K?

I think there has to be a balance and I think that a large part of Europe is extremely poorly governed.  Some countries like France, however, are doing remarkably well despite all the "socialism".  In France they only work 4 days a week, they retire younger,and they have great free healthcare and way more government services, yet their GDP per capita still rivals the USA.  Go figure.

I think in a lot of cases in Europe, socialism taken too far has dragged on their economies.  Greece, for example, was ruined by poor decisions by their government.

Even in Canada we do quite well despite more "socialism".  Yes, our GDP per capita is lower but it's not by that much and I don't think the entire difference comes down to socialism.

[RolloTheGreat]

Perhaps people in Europe simply aren't as greedy as those in America and are perfectly content with the GDP per capita.

Who really cares so long as you can pay your bills, put food in the cupboard and have a little left over for entertainment?

Has nothing at all to do with "greed" GStan, has to do with quality of life.

Life is more than work and playing video games.

Boats that can be used for comfortable cruising and watersports are expensive to buy and maintain. (old saying goes "A boat is a hole in the water you throw money into") Vehicles that can tow boats are costly.

If you want recreational property to enjoy the outdoors away from the crowds, it costs considerable money.

Saving enough to continue your lifestyle when retired is expensive as well.

For people in urban areas, just owning a normal house can be very expensive.

Some people want to do things like help there kids buy homes and cars. I gave my son a car that cost us $30K a few years ago for his first car so he'd have a nice vehicle to drive in high school and college. My dad gave me $25K for a down payment on my first house.

There are a million things a family needs more than "a little extra for entertainment" for, and as they are the ones earning the money, they deserve it more than strangers.

[BenSkywalker]

In France they only work 4 days a week,

Most weeks I only work three(throwing that out there that hours is what matters- I beat Japan's average on that front and they work six ; .

Perhaps people in Europe simply aren't as greedy as those in America

Actually socialism rather definitively proves the opposite when looking at the population as a whole. If the US population as a whole was all that greedy, we'd be just as or more socialist than the other nations being discussed. The US is a democracy- if the US was all that greedy we'd go straight Euro style and force the wealthy to give the poor more. Again, this being a democracy, the fact that that doesn't happen is the most concrete evidence you can get that as a society our populace is *less* greedy than the other nations.

[RolloTheGreat]

Actually socialism rather definitively proves the opposite when looking at the population as a whole. If the US population as a whole was all that greedy, we'd be just as or more socialist than the other nations being discussed. The US is a democracy- if the US was all that greedy we'd go straight Euro style and force the wealthy to give the poor more. Again, this being a democracy, the fact that that doesn't happen is the most concrete evidence you can get that as a society our populace is *less* greedy than the other nations.

This is a really good point.

Masses of people voting to steal the assets of others is about as greedy as it gets. At least the people who want to keep what they earn are talking about their own assets.

I wonder if GStan would think it was "greedy" if you and I could vote with the UN to take a few hundred bucks a year out of his pocket?

[BenSkywalker]

Money is made to circulate, not to be hoarded.

You like expensive toys like boats etc.

Buying a boat constitutes circulating money, or do you have some hatred for boat makers and want them all thrown out of a job?

you want them because you are greedy and desire the status that goes along with owning your expensive toys.

Rollo and I combined couldn't save our money up for a few years and buy *a* status increasing toy. You don't seem to realize what *rich* is.

[RolloTheGreat]

Money is made to circulate, not to be hoarded.

You like expensive toys like boats etc.

Buying a boat constitutes circulating money, or do you have some hatred for boat makers and want them all thrown out of a job?

you want them because you are greedy and desire the status that goes along with owning your expensive toys.

Rollo and I combined couldn't save our money up for a few years and buy *a* status increasing toy. You don't seem to realize what *rich* is.

As usual, you pretty much nailed while GStan struggles along barking nonsense at a world he doesn't understand and won't open his eyes to.

GStan:

If I buy a $40K truck that was built in America every 3-4 years, that is "putting money back in circulation" and supporting the rest of the country the way it should be. (not giving the money to the government to dole out to hobos)

The same with me buying an American boat every 5-6 years, supports the manufacturer, their supply chain, the dealer, the gas station, the insurance company, the guys that make accessories and equipment, the guys that I rent condos from for boating vacations, the guy I store the boat with in the winter, the guys that do maintenance on the boat.

How about the guy that does the lawn care at my cabin? Rollo Jr's soccer and music teachers over the years?

I in no way "hoard money", and in no way am "rich".

The idea I buy anything to look "rich" or for status is laughable, money is too hard to come by. (not to mention, as Ben accurately notes, I'm not rich enough to buy status symbols)

You need to open your eyes to the concept that people having extra money to spend is what creates employment and keeps an economy healthy. Government redistribution only hurts an economy because the people distributed to are too poor to buy boats, cars, and lawn care.

[RolloTheGreat]

You need to open your eyes to the concept that people having extra money to spend is what creates employment and keeps an economy healthy.

Not when the rich bastards use the extra money to build their factory overseas and stash the remaining profits in tax havens it doesn't!

You're still not getting it, and maybe given your life experiences it is impossible for you to get it.

A. People aren't "bastards" because they are rich, if they obtained their wealth in any legal fashion. Inherited, successful business, IP, whatever- having money and protecting their assets as any normal person would doesn't make them "bastards". They don't owe some hooker standing on the corner giving BJs for $20 free healthcare, housing, or food. She's done nothing for them, they are not acquainted that they should feel any obligation to her. If the roles were reversed, she would surely feel the same.

B. Even those who hoard millions are an important part of the cash flow because they buy luxury items and hire people to maintain them. Ferrari and Rolls Royce employ people and have a supply chain of people they buy from as well. Not everyone wants to drive a Yaris, or should.

People that want some of the rich people's money should sell something to them or the people they buy from, be it labor or goods. Shuffling money through the government only fosters a class of dependence that serves no one.

[RolloTheGreat]

Your views are one dimensional GStan, and amount to sophistry.

You only see the side of the poor, not the side of the rich or society as a whole. I try to look at all of the above with the perspective safety nets are very necessary for the young, old and disabled, but working folk should mainly provide for themselves.

If that means you earn a bicycle/Yaris/pickup/Rolls Royce to drive, so be it.

[SickBeast]

Greg Rollo doesn't sound greedy or like he's living extravagantly. He sounds like both him and his wife have decent middle class jobs. They're not rich by any means. The cost of living where they live is quite low, which allows them to afford a lot of stuff they like. The lower taxes in the US helps with this as well, plus they are able to write off the interest on their mortgage which helps them even more. A lot of people where I live have cottages. Rollo claims to have a "shack" for a cottage. It doesn't sound extravagant to me. It just sounds to me as though he has been reasonably successful in his life and he's enjoying the rewards of that. Now, I will say he does like to brag about all the stuff he has and how much he makes. That doesn't make him greedy though. It makes him vain and maybe somewhat condescending. He is concerned with his status. I find it annoying as well.

[SteelCrysis]

Now, I will say he does like to brag about all the stuff he has and how much he makes.  That doesn't make him greedy though.  It makes him vain and maybe somewhat condescending.  He is concerned with his status.  I find it annoying as well.

I've gotten used to him.

[RolloTheGreat]

Greg Rollo doesn't sound greedy or like he's living extravagantly.  He sounds like both him and his wife have decent middle class jobs.  They're not rich by any means.  The cost of living where they live is quite low, which allows them to afford a lot of stuff they like.  The lower taxes in the US helps with this as well, plus they are able to write off the interest on their mortgage which helps them even more.  A lot of people where I live have cottages.  Rollo claims to have a "shack" for a cottage.  It doesn't sound extravagant to me.  It just sounds to me as though he has been reasonably successful in his life and he's enjoying the rewards of that.  Now, I will say he does like to brag about all the stuff he has and how much he makes.  That doesn't make him greedy though.  It makes him vain and maybe somewhat condescending.  He is concerned with his status.  I find it annoying as well.

That would be an understatement. The cabin isn't habitable, we bought the place more for the backwoods lake lot.

I would have spent my life trying to get ahead if I was concerned with status. I spend my life parenting, fishing, and hunting.

[BoFox]

In France they only work 4 days a week,

Most weeks I only work three(throwing that out there that hours is what matters- I beat Japan's average on that front and they work six ; .

Perhaps people in Europe simply aren't as greedy as those in America

Actually socialism rather definitively proves the opposite when looking at the population as a whole. If the US population as a whole was all that greedy, we'd be just as or more socialist than the other nations being discussed. The US is a democracy- if the US was all that greedy we'd go straight Euro style and force the wealthy to give the poor more. Again, this being a democracy, the fact that that doesn't happen is the most concrete evidence you can get that as a society our populace is *less* greedy than the other nations.

3 days, nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  No wonder you have time for 8 kids plus gaming! 


Well, if you're so pro-capitalism, why not just remove minimum wage laws and let all of the blue collar workers have a go at the litter?  Too many of them would be illegally scavenging the landfills for whatever valuables they could find, just to survive - like in some South American countries (Peru, even Brazil has a huge problem with that).  It's because of democracy that we have minimum wage laws - we're indeed a democracy, but actually diminishing as a democracy in favor of global capitalism.  The average lower-middle class has difficulty affording a trip to Disney World even after trying to save up for a couple years - compared to back in the 70's, even upper lower-class could afford a road trip across the country each year because the cost of living was that much lower relatively.  If it were actually democracy, 50-60% of the workforce would vote for doubling of the minimum wage - the consensus would actually come to at least a 50% raise in the minimum wage. 

"Democracy" is one of the most horribly misused term ever - often abused and corrupted by those who don't give a pissing shit about the guy stocking and arranging the shelves at a retail store for their buying convenience.  If it helps the upper middle class make a bit more (like that Subway franchise owner), they're happy to let all of those minimum wage workers get paid even less.  They consider themselves the democracy - not the majority of the population serving the employers and managers.  Overall, upper-middle class workers who take no part in hiring or auditing others for personal or small business monetary gain (like college professors, pilots, Pentagon officials, programmers/engineers working for a large company, etc.) usually have a more merciful approach toward the lower-wage earners. 

Meanwhile, some European countries like Norway, Iceland, Ireland, Denmark, etc. are doing amazingly well considering such relative lack of national resources like oil, agriculture, etc. compared to USA, Canada...  Global capitalism should have demolished these countries, but these communities have built a tightly knit safety net for themselves - I'd actually consider these counties as far more of a democracy than the US.  The democracy (at least the majority) really do want universal healthcare, free college education, higher minimum wage, etc.  Even Germany (especially East Germany) could have disregarded the poor and suppressed the true democracy like the US, but just look at how East Germany has instantly transformed into one of the wealthiest nations in the world (if we still looked at E. Germany as its own independent nation).  Nope, the scare tactic is really working here in America, scaring the middle class from voting for higher minimum wage, free college education, and universal healthcare, because America would fall apart if we tried to care for the poor like a true democracy (while a substantially lower percentage of the poor actually vote - with less voting power/pull as well).  West Germany took poor East Germany in, and is doing even better than before as a whole.  The American majority needs to wake the fuck up and look at Germany, and stop believing the scare tactics used by the richer 1/3 of the Americans saying that even 5% higher minimum wage would destroy US economy.  

It's just that those with powerful influence do not understand the real solution to America coping with global capitalization taking its course.  Real safety nets need to be built for would-be laid-offs who are at risk of being replaced by Chinese, Indian, Mexican workers..   Yet, those in power simply just do not give a pissing crap about the poor victims..  so far.  With too much capitalist liberation running its course, America simply has to become balanced with China, in a perfect equilibrium, as totalitarian China is bowing to Hong Kong's capitalist model that brought in trillions of dollars.  Remember, there is actually a very fine line in between extreme capitalism and communism - opposite ends on a scale forming a circle, for those one-dimensional tunnel visionaries.  We just have to put a stop to the scare tactics propagated by global capitalists, to the government being bribed by the same and slowly bankrupting the nation turning it into a jobless welfare state - with fortified safety nets that keep the workers employed with some subsidizing along with stricter restrictions and penalties for the companies laying off workers. 

I think America is just "SLOW" in lots of ways, like with high-speed train infrastructure (due around 2023, already deployed across Japan a long time ago), high speed internet infrastructure, cellular coverage, late universal healthcare (if Obamacare could actually be considered such), renewable power sources like windmills and solar panel rollouts lagging far behind so many other first-nation countries, recycling, and so on.........   mentally "slow", lol!!!

[BoFox]

Sorry - hope it's not a boring wall of text.  Got carried away with typing..  hope it's not bad.