So where is the outcry dave?

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What?

The only thing man is most successful in is destroying the planet.

I certainly understand your desire to hold your ground, heck the idea has been planted and is constantly reinforced in major multi billion dollar political campaigns. Propaganda is effective, thats for sure. The planted seeds take root and then people build so much on top of it that it becomes so embedded that it's very difficult to see things in any other light.

You should hear yourself. Read these post out loud, mine and yours. Because you really arent making sense. Its not debatable, simply facts.

Sure, I have no problem saying that humans have an impact in the space they occupy. You know, you cant see that all life has an impact in the space it occupies. How does that equate to humans being dummies....it's beyond rationality.

The space that all life forms, each living organisms exist in, it is part of a thing we call the environment. Every mammals, every bug, every living thing big or microscopic has an impact on the space it occupies. Humans are no different.
Thats just a fact.

Every species reproduces as much as it can and spreads as far as it can. Humans are the most successful animals as far as can be seen. Going back billions of years. Sorry bud, its just a fact.

We have succeeded on the most grand scale. We are the most successful large mammal known. And perhaps you should rethink your ideas here. There was nothing dumb when the saber tooth went extinct. They were not dumber than trees. Its just a ridiculous claim...ridiculous way of thinking. And I am not trying to be mean or offend anyone.

There are millions of trees that have gone extinct.. They used to live and the environment had changed and these trees could no longer survive. You seem to not realize that life has changed the earth dramatically, for the better with some species and to the detriment of others. The whole planet..its contaminated.

Look at mars or Pluto. Life has completely transformed our planet to what we see...long before humans existed, life has totally and completely changed our planet.

So, you see humans effect today and somehow thata bad...did not humans come from the same place as all other life here? Was it cool for the plants and trees to suck up all the CO2 and convert massive amounts of oxygen? You cool with that not humans are dumb cause we effect the world too.

Who is to say that what we do is terrible? You? Liberals?
Sure we can mess up the environment, but those environments were already completely infested with life already. Completely.

Do you agree that nature is smart and that all the great wonderful life that has evolved is against all odds yet it's this beautiful and amazing force with seemingly super natural power? Well then, nature has made man. We are a product of our planet. And we are doing what we are designed to do. The traits evolved, we are a product of evolution.

How do you know better? Why are you even here? ,why is man here? Perhaps there is a reason. And we are doing what our traits and genes have programmed us for. We are a product of our earth, of the life in our earth.

What if, just for one second consider, perhaps you dont know why life is here or why man evolved. But if nature is so grand and smart that every other species is perfect, maybe man is not as terrible as you claim or as you think. Maybe, nature knows more than you...Just maybe.

Its possibility. So is the idea that our purpose is to flourish so greatly and fully that we are supposed to take life onwards to other planets. Like the shrub that evolved to fruit, so seeds can and would be carried afar. Or the fungus that evolved shrooms, to spread spores across the world. Do you not see that nature has been phenomenal in the manifestation and evolution of life as we see it all around us. And, no matter how much you denounce us, We are products of nature. The same nature that seems to have known what it was doing in every other case.