11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

[SickBeast]

Well I don't think I have ever seen two candidates that are such polar opposites the way Clinton and Trump are. It's going to be a very divisive election. It's surprising that people can have such differing views about how to run the country. It's really going to have a drastic impact on your lives down there. I would say Clinton will bring more of the same but with Trump you will see some huge changes. My opinion for what it's worth is that you guys have it pretty good down there and I wouldn't risk ruining things with Trump. I can see his appeal and I understand why some of you believe in him so passionately, but I really think he's going to have some very bad consequences for things like your economy and your international relations. I do worry that he could start world war 3.

[ocre]

Actually, there is no big differences in our mainstream career politicians. The same big money that backs the republicans also backs the democrats. For the most part, all the back and forth is for show..to give the dissatisfied people a pacifier and to keep the country from revolt.

People feel they can vote and make difference but the real power comes from the money. There is clear evidence all around us yet the majority don't want to see or know. Burney Sanders spent a good portion of his campaigning asking Hilary to release transcripts on a speech she made where Goldman Sachs. This is not rhetoric, the shocking truth is that hillary was given a few million shy of 1 billion dollars from goldman sachs. The contribution was hidden as they cleverly called it a payment for a speech she made. There is absolutely no way that any one on God's earth gets paid a billion dollars to make a 20 minute speech.

So, then on the other side..
Ted Cruz. He has deep ties to goldman sachs too. Not only was he stuffed with millions of dollars that he tried to hide while he was running, he had several loans that were interest free and never had to actually be paid back. His wife, Heidi cruz is top management at goldman sachs. She is the power over the money for a huge division and conveniently took a leave when Ted started doing well in his run for president.
My estimation is that Ted was approaching a half a billion from Goldman sachs but we would never know as they go thru great lengths to hide the money, we only know what has been leaked. Which, Google or and the info is clear...Ted has major ties to goldman

Goldman Sachs had this election in the basket, but they all their efforts Trump won the republican nomination. They wanted a win win, Cruz vs Clinton but that didn't happen. So, now they must do all they can to get hillary elected. This is the reason why so many republicans don't back trump. They truly would rather have Hillary, they want to get her elected. The chance of trump winning in Nov are slim slim slim. Something like 92% Clinton.

There are plenty on mainstream republicans that wane Clinton, she is one of them.

This is the sad truth. Not every one is in on the in. Not all republicans, not all democrats. But only a select few rise to higher power, and they are not random. Just look around. Everyone bitches about obama care...It's actually Romney care taken nation wide. It was Romneys state that ran the trial and then it was brought nation wide. The 2012 election, we had a choice between the father of obamacare or obama. Google Romney care and Obama care. Mind shall be blown

Also, go back further. Obama's first term. McCain. Any and every bill or obama agenda that passed, McCain was one of the handfull of republican senators that voted to get these things passed. Ironic? Nope. It's not irony

Any how, trump will most likely not win. He isn't a part of the scam, he isn't a part of the club. They will secretly unite to keep him from getting elected. If he does manage to win, he is a lame duck. He has to have congress and the Senate to get things done, they will lay down on him. Unless, he is converted. Or, the very unlikely chance he actually negotiates and manages to work with the powers that have a death lock...it seems so unlikely. Power is protected and there is little chance these guys will do any thing. They aren't gonna start giving in its letting go. It's posturing.

Trump winning is super slim.
If he does then I imagine a few possible outcomes.

1) he is a lame duck for 4 years cause and nothing gets done.
2) he is assassinated when he tries to go around the power grip- power is not given up or shared
3) he works out a deal with the true forces so that he kinda does some things he wants while being a puppet for their agenda.

I just don't know though. Trump is arrogant and not likely to bow down. This makes 1 or 2 more likely. I expect him to be considered a risk. That he might speak out or be loosed lipped. I believe trump really wants to make his mark, that he wants to be known and wants to do great things. But our country is known to protect its power. Look at JFK. You have to be really trying to not see that his assassination was an inside job.

Then, of course...all the other Kennedys after. Bobby which is clearly another hit. And finally the mysterious death of jfk Jr which lay the red carpet for Hillary Clinton's career. The airplane crash could have been random, its the weakest case in all 3 but the fact that the other 2 kennedys are so strong...It's very easy to imagine that Jr was a random accident.

The Kennedy conspiracies are compelling but there are clear money and paper trails that tie the top leading democrats with republicans. I only scratched the surface. It truly is rugged and there really is a grip that has the power and politicians in their hand

[SickBeast]

You know last week, down by the creek,
I saw Clinton, I heard her speak.
She said to me: You know what's neat?
I bought two cars, a house, a jeep.
What, you think I speak for free?
I talk to banks, they pay the fee.
That guy Trump will never see,
But he keeps us all so free.

       

[SickBeast]

So now apparently Trump will not release his tax returns. He is afraid. His son said it apparently.

[dmcowen674]

10-7-2016

Pence to be Nominee as Trump will step down for sexual lewdness

Lewd Trump video 2005

[SickBeast]

Holy cow, I think this one takes the cake for Trump. I didn't think he could stoop any lower.

[RolloTheGreat]

Holy cow, I think this one takes the cake for Trump.  I didn't think he could stoop any lower.

Huh?

Trump's remarks are offensive (no doubt) but Billary's husband has been accused of rape, exposing himself, harassment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clint...llegations

There are definitely "lower" things than talking smack about how you're the Reigning King of Poontang.

[RolloTheGreat]

10-7-2016

Pence to be Nominee as Trump will step down for sexual lewdness

Lewd Trump video 2005

Ummmm...no.

Pence doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell, if Trump did step aside (I hope he does, he's an egomaniac) the GOP would run someone most of the country has heard of at least.

I had never heard of Pence until he was nominated, and that would be a problem for Pence. No one knows who he is.

[SickBeast]

Holy cow, I think this one takes the cake for Trump.  I didn't think he could stoop any lower.

Huh?

Trump's remarks are offensive (no doubt) but Billary's husband has been accused of rape, exposing himself, harassment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clint...llegations

There are definitely "lower" things than talking smack about how you're the Reigning King of Poontang.

What I don't understand is, in a country like yours, how on earth did you guys come up with these two candidates?  It's like you guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place.  There is no alternative.  It's either one or the other.  I know it will never happen but you guys need more than two political parties down there.  It will do a world of good.  We have at least three up here and it's really much better IMO.  I just find it shocking that these are the two candidates that you guys wound up with.  I feel really bad for you because when you vote it's like you're choosing from the lesser of two evils.

I will also point out that you're referring to one of the candidate's spouses, while the other is the candidate himself. Big difference.

[RolloTheGreat]

https://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/commu...af046.html

[SickBeast]

[RolloTheGreat]

Holy cow, I think this one takes the cake for Trump.  I didn't think he could stoop any lower.

Huh?

Trump's remarks are offensive (no doubt) but Billary's husband has been accused of rape, exposing himself, harassment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clint...llegations

There are definitely "lower" things than talking smack about how you're the Reigning King of Poontang.

What I don't understand is, in a country like yours, how on earth did you guys come up with these two candidates?  It's like you guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place.  There is no alternative.  It's either one or the other.  I know it will never happen but you guys need more than two political parties down there.  It will do a world of good.  We have at least three up here and it's really much better IMO.  I just find it shocking that these are the two candidates that you guys wound up with.  I feel really bad for you because when you vote it's like you're choosing from the lesser of two evils.

I will also point out that you're referring to one of the candidate's spouses, while the other is the candidate himself.  Big difference.

Reasons I don't like Billary as a candidate:

1. Billary is a socialist. Proposed Obamacare before Obama. Now proposing we shift college costs to tax base.

2. Says we need to end the "mass incarcerations" caused by racism. Huh? Last I checked, 99% of the people in jail committed crimes and belong there.

3. Lied about emails to Congress/FBI.

4. Put up with infamous philanderer/possible sex assaulter husband for money and power.

[SteelCrysis]

And Bill got to stay as President. Proof that Trump was right when he said that you let you do it once you're a star.

Edit: The Libertard Party is no option: https://ethicsalarms.com/2016/10/05/kabo...-a-virtue/

[SickBeast]

Holy cow, I think this one takes the cake for Trump.  I didn't think he could stoop any lower.

Huh?

Trump's remarks are offensive (no doubt) but Billary's husband has been accused of rape, exposing himself, harassment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clint...llegations

There are definitely "lower" things than talking smack about how you're the Reigning King of Poontang.

What I don't understand is, in a country like yours, how on earth did you guys come up with these two candidates?  It's like you guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place.  There is no alternative.  It's either one or the other.  I know it will never happen but you guys need more than two political parties down there.  It will do a world of good.  We have at least three up here and it's really much better IMO.  I just find it shocking that these are the two candidates that you guys wound up with.  I feel really bad for you because when you vote it's like you're choosing from the lesser of two evils.

I will also point out that you're referring to one of the candidate's spouses, while the other is the candidate himself.  Big difference.

Reasons I don't like Billary as a candidate:

1. Billary is a socialist. Proposed Obamacare before Obama. Now proposing we shift college costs to tax base.

2. Says we need to end the "mass incarcerations" caused by racism. Huh? Last I checked, 99% of the people in jail committed crimes and belong there.

3. Lied about emails to Congress/FBI.

4. Put up with infamous philanderer/possible sex assaulter husband for money and power.

Rollo you need to put your ideology aside and vote for the good of your country. IMO Hillary's socialism is better than the mass extraction of money that will be funneled into corporations on behalf of Trump. That's money you will never see as a middle class American. And it won't create jobs. It will just pad the coffers of the wealthy. It will do no good to anyone other than a select few. People like Donald Trump will make billions. Perhaps that's the real reason he wants to be president. To lower his tax load.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you need to put your ideology aside and vote for the good of your country.  IMO Hillary's socialism is better than the mass extraction of money that will be funneled into corporations on behalf of Trump.  That's money you will never see as a middle class American.  And it won't create jobs.  It will just pad the coffers of the wealthy.  It will do no good to anyone other than a select few.  People like Donald Trump will make billions.  Perhaps that's the real reason he wants to be president.  To lower his tax load.

No way.

I'm not voting for either of these jokers.

They both only care about money and power, Trump is just better at getting it.

Neither will be good for the country.

[SickBeast]

That's really sad to hear. Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with. And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates. Your entire political system is broken.

[dmcowen674]

That's really sad to hear.  Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with.  And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates.  Your entire political system is broken.

That's what I've been saying since 2000 and I was ridiculed.

[SteelCrysis]

That's really sad to hear.  Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with.  And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates.  Your entire political system is broken.

That's what I've been saying since 2000 and I was ridiculed.

It's a shame that you were ridiculed.

[SickBeast]

That's really sad to hear.  Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with.  And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates.  Your entire political system is broken.

That's what I've been saying since 2000 and I was ridiculed.

It's a shame that you were ridiculed.

Have you ever posted on ATF, SteelCrysis? It's like a den of trolls. Ridicule happens over there all the time.

[SteelCrysis]

That's really sad to hear.  Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with.  And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates.  Your entire political system is broken.

That's what I've been saying since 2000 and I was ridiculed.

It's a shame that you were ridiculed.

Have you ever posted on ATF, SteelCrysis?  It's like a den of trolls.  Ridicule happens over there all the time.

No, and I didn't think David was referring to ATF.

[RolloTheGreat]

That's really sad to hear.  Like I said, in a country of over 300 million people, it is shocking that those two are the best you could come up with.  And what is even more shocking is that all those people voted for them and supported them as the candidates.  Your entire political system is broken.

That's what I've been saying since 2000 and I was ridiculed.

It's a shame that you were ridiculed.

Have you ever posted on ATF, SteelCrysis?  It's like a den of trolls.  Ridicule happens over there all the time.

No, and I didn't think David was referring to ATF.

If you're referring to me and my views on Dave's "revolution coming, the poor are going to behead anyone they deem rich and play dodgeball with their heads" malarkey, I stand by them.

Most people aren't cold blooded killers that can say, "Sorry Bill, should have paid me more to run that drill press. Now I have to play dodgeball with your head".

Most people have families/dependents to care for as well. "I dunno what's gonna happen Mabel, but Joe Flotsky says once we play dodgeball with a few heads the other rich guys will give us their loot and then WE'LL be the rich guys!" has to be tempered with, "Hmmm that $800 I have in the bank for a rainy day won't go far if my job closes down for a while until Joe sorts out how to run the whole business. He's pretty smart bein' the line foreman and all, but I don't know if he's ever done any marketing, kept the network running, used most of the software, done the accounting, or any of that other stuff.".

Our country would fall into a shambles of anarchy and poverty if the poor ran the show. They're not poor because they're masters of technology and international business, they're poor because they lack the skills to run the show.

Myself included in the above. I have two bachelors degrees and some bush league tech skills (CIO buddy says I sell myself short in this opinion, but I'm smart enough to know my limitations) and I'd be fucked.

We all depend on each other, (some of) the poor are just too dense to realize this.

[dmcowen674]

11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

[SickBeast]

11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

Dave how can you say that!? It's not a done deal yet.

[SteelCrysis]

11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

Dave how can you say that!?  It's not a done deal yet.  

   

True, though it's looking like it will be a Trump victory.

[SteelCrysis]

Michigan is the decisive state at this point. If it goes to Trump, Trump wins.

Edit: Or Pennsylvania.

[SteelCrysis]

Trump takes Pennsylvania. It's over.

[BenSkywalker]

IMO Hillary's socialism is better than the mass extraction of money that will be funneled into corporations on behalf of Trump.

Look at the stock market SickBeast- it is cratering on the news that Trump won. I could not imagine a reality in which I would ever vote for him but it is *crystal* clear the corporations *WANTED* Hillary. Don't let your indoctrination taint your reasoning, look at the facts. 

Politicians in it for the kick backs from corporations?-

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

Hillary is the poster child for a corporate shill, they gave her money in record amounts, Trump saw less then half when it is all totaled, and now Wall Street is having a panic attack because Trump won.

One candidate was the clear choice of the 1%, that candidate wasn't Trump.

[RolloTheGreat]

11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency

Apparently the poor and uneducated want neither socialism nor revolution. I see this as a good thing, am saddened by what this may mean for the Supreme Court.

[SickBeast]

IMO Hillary's socialism is better than the mass extraction of money that will be funneled into corporations on behalf of Trump.

Look at the stock market SickBeast- it is cratering on the news that Trump won. I could not imagine a reality in which I would ever vote for him but it is *crystal* clear the corporations *WANTED* Hillary. Don't let your indoctrination taint your reasoning, look at the facts. 

Politicians in it for the kick backs from corporations?-

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

Hillary is the poster child for a corporate shill, they gave her money in record amounts, Trump saw less then half when it is all totaled, and now Wall Street is having a panic attack because Trump won.

One candidate was the clear choice of the 1%, that candidate wasn't Trump.

Actually the markets are way up today, surprisingly. However I will concede that you could well be right. In the end we are all small fries. We really have no clue what the elites do behind closed doors. And Trump could well be right.

[ocre]

What a surprise

Now, I plan on holding trump accountable

If he doesnt make america great again, "your're fired"

[SteelCrysis]

What a surprise

Now, I plan on holding trump accountable

If he doesnt make america great again, "your're fired"

[RolloTheGreat]

I often feel that modern Australia is a prototyping ground for what is to be rolled out in the USA.

(From BTR]

You're wrong there GStan.

Honestly I think 95% of the time, 95% of Americans forget Australia exists. You're never in the news, or in any media here. Every now and again something Australian will get popular here (Crocodile Dundee, AC/DC) but by and large you're just too far away and disconnected.

I do think Australia is one of the places in the world I'd like to live from the descriptions I've heard from people who have lived there and visited. Our common history as colonies of England is about all that ties us AFAIK, beyond us having a tiny bit of business with you.

That's what I am afraid of. Our sim will get rebooted.

And of course Mark, apparently unequipped to understand that white, non college educated people are dissatisfied with the trade deals career politicians made that sent their jobs to Mexico and China, feels the space aliens who control our lives are messing with us.

[RolloTheGreat]

LOL!  ever hear of the ANZUS treaty?

We are very important to the USA militarily situated as we are in SE Asia, close to the Philipines which is a major american military power base, not to mention our radars and listening posts and signal intercepts.

Only from you, now for the second time.

For the most part you guys are "out of sight out of mind" for us. We go months, sometimes years, never really hearing anything about you.

[ocre]

I believe you both are talking about different perspectives.

Of course Australia is important to the US, in a major way...in many major ways. Politically, militarily, as well as a range of other interest.

But what rollo says is also true. As far as the everyday American prospective, its probably one of the least talked about nations. We have bases and treaties all over the world gstan. Thousands of them. No one studies them, not in the general population. It may be a surprise to you but the US population does not have interest at all in the countless treaties spanning the entire globe. See, we have relationships everywhere. And as far as where I live, no one talks about Australia. No more than they would iceland or greenland.

Unless there is something big pertaining to Australia on the news. Like the missing malaysia flight, there was a Australian team who thought they found signs of the vanishing plane. And for that team, there was conversation and discussion which mentioned Australia..at least on the news and in the papers. But, even still the general population did not speak much about it. There just arent too many who even talk news these news, we all are much more involved in our lives

[SickBeast]

Canada and Australia are probably the two most similar countries on earth, aside from the climates.  One is too hot and the other is too cold.  I think I would take Australia's climate over Canada's, though.  I live in the south end of Canada so my winters aren't too bad, but in most of the country here the winters are *brutal*.  Mind you, if it's too cold outside I can dress for it, whereas when it's too hot you just have to sweat it out or else stay encapsulated indoors where you have AC.  I enjoy skiing and skating in the winter.  Or just going for a nice walk.  If it was super hot outside I don't think I could do much other than go to the beach and roast.

[SteelCrysis]

But then, Australia has all of those venomous snakes, including the 4 most venomous land snakes on the planet.

[SickBeast]

But then, Australia has all of those venomous snakes, including the 4 most venomous land snakes on the planet.

Apparently only 1 or 2 people die from those every year. Something to consider, though. I'm not a fan of snakes. I had a snake encounter this summer while camping. It was a water snake. My son stepped on it but it did not bite him, it just jumped into the water and swam away. As far as I know there is only one venomous snake in Canada, the Massasauga rattlesnake, and it is extremely rare and only found in fairly remote regions.

Doesn't the USA have venomous snakes? Rattlesnakes? You guys also have people being eaten by alligators.

[SteelCrysis]

We do. The state where I live only has the timber rattlesnake and the Massasauga. We also have a ton of alligators in Florida.

[SickBeast]

Yes, we have venomous snakes and salt water crocodiles and great white sharks and nasty spiders and insects.

Pretty much they will leave you alone so long as you leave them alone.

It's pretty easy to step on a snake unknowingly, as my son found out this summer. In Australia that might have resulted in a fatal bite!

[ocre]

I was wondering why many in the mainstream were not counting Arizona and Michigan in the final vote rally for trump. Its like they held off doing so for days and days. But then I ran across this article.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek....%3Famp%3D1

shenanigans

Thats why they pushed off announcing trump winning for so long tuesday. It was clear well before 2am trump has won but those in the media and Clinton Campaign were trying their best to make up the votes somehow. I mean, wow. Trump was 3 points ahead in Az yet with 100% of the vote in but they still did not officially tally his electorates for that state. Then there is Michigan. Its much closer but its been obvious that TRUMP had edged out the win for days now, but still they are not counting his electoral votes there. Trump has over 300 with 309 that shouldve already been in his tally.

But this article, listen to this crap.

Updated | As of Thursday, three states remain electoral toss-ups, according to Associated Press projections: New Hampshire, Michigan and Arizona. If Hillary Clinton wins the combined 31 electoral votes from those states, she will still be short of Donald Trump’s 279 votes, more than the 270 needed to win the presidency.

However, AP analyst Michael McDonald, who teaches political science at the University of Florida and runs the United States Elections Project, an election statistics website, says he is skeptical that Trump won Wisconsin, as the AP projected. If that state flips for Clinton and she wins the other toss-up states, she and Trump could be in a tie at 269 votes each.

Blows my mind.
There has never been that many provisional ballots that become real votes, so numerous and wide spread that it turns that many states completely around. Arizona has trump at nearly 50% to hillarys 45. The idea that there would be so many provisional votes that not only turn legit but also all be hillary votes, enough to flip the massive difference, its absurd. Yet, for days we saw the Az electorate not being officially counted for trump. Its really baffling.
Then Wisconsin, geez. It was a clear win. Several points. We arent talking about Florida in 2000, where its razor thin. Its a clear and real gap. Yet, they were absolutely considering that Az could flip, even with that wide of a margin win. Unprecedented.

NH, trump had notched out a win. Yet in the following days, the table turned. Provisional, mail in, or recounted votes, whatever it may be that got Clinton over the edge - it was a tiny gap. And now, she is barely over it. Contesting that, its reasonable..even if it may be interesting. But Wisconsin, Az, and even Michigan. The gap is so big, to have any of then turn or flip days later, its pretty far out there. Like nothing we ever seen.

The margins as large as some of the wins in the 2012 election, margins obama got. Yet, no hesitation to give obama those electorates.

Its baffling to me.

On another note, trump actually got more votes than obama in many places, swing states. His win is bring downplayed.

He has won 2/3rds the US. And they are suppressing that