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Sam's Club Black Friday 4K TV Deals
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11-03-2016, 09:59 PM
http://4k.com/news/an-early-taste-of-4k-...ked-17197/
Wow, a 70-inch 4K TV for USD 1198. Not to mention the Xbox One S + Minecraft + Battlefield 1 + extra controller for USD 249. 
11-03-2016, 11:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2016, 08:43 AM by RolloTheGreat.)
(11-03-2016, 09:59 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: http://4k.com/news/an-early-taste-of-4k-...ked-17197/ It's actually cheaper than that,$928, but it's a crappy TV: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e...?uxtv=e0df I think those don't even have tuners, they're more like computer monitors than tvs.
11-04-2016, 08:41 AM
(11-03-2016, 11:23 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-03-2016, 09:59 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: http://4k.com/news/an-early-taste-of-4k-...ked-17197/ http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung...?uxtv=e0df That Samsung for $2000 (normally $2599) is a super deal though.
11-04-2016, 04:46 PM
(11-04-2016, 09:39 AM)gstanford Wrote:(11-03-2016, 11:23 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-03-2016, 09:59 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote: http://4k.com/news/an-early-taste-of-4k-...ked-17197/ OTA tuners are VERY important to cord cutters GStan. We can't watch sports, weather alerts, and news without live local tv. PlayStation VUE only has live network TV in a handful of cities, the rest of us have to switch back to OTA for live news and sports. Vue gets on demand versions of network tv, you can watch series the next day.
11-04-2016, 05:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2016, 05:15 PM by RolloTheGreat.)
In the USA, the only "live" tv services we have are Vue and Sling TV, both are as I've described Vue.
There are roughly 84m cable and satellite subcribers in the US: http://www.fiercecable.com/special-repor...-to-twc-to There are 124m households in the US: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1836...in-the-us/ So 40m of us have no live sports, news, weather alerts without OTA digital tuners. I should note the largest issue with that tv is the poor performance and image quality. I only noted the tuner because it's an issue for cord cutters. http://www.techhive.com/article/3049219/...trend.html
11-04-2016, 10:49 PM
Quote:Not good for a PC monitor. Although the input lag is good, it doesn't support chroma for clear text. Lots of motion blur results in a trail following movement. I'm thinking you'll buy one of these tvs just because the reviews say it's bad, and start yelling about how they don't properly calibrate or use the right settings. 
11-05-2016, 06:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2016, 06:55 PM by RolloTheGreat.)
Quote:As soon as viewers are slightly off axis, the picture deteriorates. It has one of the worst viewing angles that we measured. Quote:The TV has a full-array backlight, but doesn't have good local dimming performance. The entire screen dims, including bright objects, and highlights flicker. Quote:Fast motion appears blurry Quote:Cable content will also look soft after being upscaled. Small details like the small ripples on the sail protective covering are lost. Quote:The Vizio E Series 4k 2016 is an terrible TV for anything with fast motion. During fast moving gameplays objects will have a long visible trail that will follow them. Quote:This TV is horrible when it comes to dealing with motion blur, there is a long trail behind the logo that can be seen fairly well. The response time is quite high as well with most of the transition taking a fair amount of time. The backlight of the TV isn't flicker free, which may annoy some. I see what you mean GStan! If you don't watch TV (on the TV), or play video games where things move around, and don't mind it flashing at you, and only have one chair right in front of it, this is a mediocre TV! Of course if you do all those things everyone does with a TV it's kind of a piece of crap, but who cares as long as you get one free, right? Shilling for Vizio these days? Or just trolling, as usual? Vizio has some good TVs, this one is not among them. 
11-05-2016, 08:43 PM
(11-05-2016, 09:00 AM)gstanford Wrote: Tons of people use Vizio TV's as large computer monitors without complaint. You can't purchase Vizio branded TV's in Australia. No, you're not understanding. Most 4k TVs do not support 4:4:4 chroma. This can make a big difference for the clarity of the image and the text. This is a very important feature if you're planning to use a 4k TV for PC use. It's quite hard to find a decent 4k TV that supports 4:4:4 chroma. The manufacturers never list it in the specs and you're forced to read reviews or rely on anecdotal evidence.
11-05-2016, 10:33 PM
(11-05-2016, 08:43 PM)SickBeast Wrote: No, you're not understanding. Most 4k TVs do not support 4:4:4 chroma. This can make a big difference for the clarity of the image and the text. This is a very important feature if you're planning to use a 4k TV for PC use. It's quite hard to find a decent 4k TV that supports 4:4:4 chroma. The manufacturers never list it in the specs and you're forced to read reviews or rely on anecdotal evidence. GStan is not here to "help the community" or "post valid information". GStan is here to troll me, and post things that mislead people so he can laugh if they follow his advice. He knows $16K Yaris's are nowhere near as good to own as $50K pickups. He knows these TVs suck, and HiSense ones aren't much better. He knows there isn't much difference in PS4s and XBones in most games. He probably knows PS4 Pro is Crossfire, and he probably knew Eurogamer had re-tested XBone and invalidated his statements on XBone BluRay. He knows 4K BluRay missing from Pro is a big deal. He just posts the opposite of what he, and everyone else, knows to get some sort of charge out of arguing.
11-06-2016, 01:38 AM
It's pretty rich hearing that coming from you of all people, Rollo.
11-06-2016, 04:48 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2016, 04:49 AM by RolloTheGreat.)
(11-06-2016, 01:38 AM)SickBeast Wrote: It's pretty rich hearing that coming from you of all people, Rollo. What you're experiencing is called cognitive dissonance, it's the anxiety one feels when forced to accept contradictory beliefs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance You thought I was not helpful and a troll, and GStan was helpful and not a troll. Since then you've seen me helpful with good information and polite, and GStan wrong and trolling. The destruction of your world view in relation to this issue causes you anxiety. Sort of like I felt voting for Billary. I've never voted for a Democrat in my life, yet I had to admit she was the lesser of two evils in this case. (LOL- and she may even be going to jail while in office) You watch- it will be on Eurogamer that PS4 Pro is basically Crossfire and GStan will say he never said it wasn't, or that it is what he said it was. GStan is either wrong a lot, or just trolling. BTW- if it IS a single GPU that disables half the stream processors, I'll not only I admit I was wrong, but apologize to GStan.
11-06-2016, 04:59 AM
Who becomes the president if Hillary goes to jail? Does she become impeached?
11-06-2016, 05:16 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2016, 05:16 AM by SteelCrysis.)
(11-06-2016, 04:59 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Who becomes the president if Hillary goes to jail? Does she become impeached?Under the 22nd Amendment, the Vice President will replace her. If the Vice President serves as the new President 2 years or less before the next election, then they can run for election twice, each time for 1 term. Otherwise, they are limited to 1 term in office as President (except for Truman, the 22nd Amendment made an exception for him and allowed him to run for election twice).
11-06-2016, 09:23 AM
And what happens when Dave decides to impeach Rollo for moderating gstanford?
11-06-2016, 06:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2016, 07:06 PM by RolloTheGreat.)
You said:
(11-04-2016, 06:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: Just get a digital tuner box or an OTA DVR and use them if OTA is important. The digital tuner box in particular is dirt cheap. A lot of people want to minimize boxes hanging on their TV, not add to them. If this was actually a good TV, it might be worth the trade off, but it's not. (11-04-2016, 06:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: Plenty of people nowadays purchase televisions with no intent whatsoever to use them as traditional televisions. They are merely large computer/console screens. OK, but this isn't a good TV for that either. Besides the 4:4:4 chroma issue, there are the response time and horrible motion handling. The only reason anyone wants a 70" "computer/console screen" is to play video games and response time is one of the more important criteria? Quote:long visible trailsThe response time on this TV is 34ms! (on my TV it is 10ms) (11-04-2016, 06:32 PM)gstanford Wrote: With regard to the poor performance and IQ you mention, that happens when watching TV or upscaled content below 1080p on it. For everything else it is fine. It's the tuner mainly causing the issues and those who don't use the tuner won't care. No. Flickering trails following things moving on the screen, blurry text, and bad viewing angles are part of a monitor as well. The main thing is: You cant convince me anyone is buying a 70" TV without the intention of watching TV on it. This is a bad TV.
11-06-2016, 07:24 PM
(11-06-2016, 05:43 PM)gstanford Wrote: LOL! I'll wait the whole 4 days until launch and then either admit I'm wrong or add this to the long list of erroneous disinformation you have posted. (11-06-2016, 05:43 PM)gstanford Wrote: Cheap 4K TV's may well be 4:2:2 Chroma as a cost cutting measure. I'm not recommending (and didn't) anybody purchase the Visio, just pointed out that many people have used Visio TV's as monitors in the past with good results.As we're only talking about this Vizio TV, what do the other ones matter? You may not have recommended this TV, but all you said about it is that people don't need a tuner, 4:4:4 chroma, or upscaling on a TV. By trivializing those issues, and ignoring the others (flickering, response time, and viewing angles) AND saying the review was rigged, you recommended this TV in effect. Or you are just trolling. (11-06-2016, 05:43 PM)gstanford Wrote: If Visio is cost cutting internal Chroma resolution to inflate profits and save costs then that situation may not continue much longer. I'd recommend anyone wanting a 4K TV right now to ensure that they get one that is HDR capable. That is more important than the TV also being 4K. As a person who has owned a HDR TV for 4 months I would say the jury is still out on that one. This TV has no HDR.
11-06-2016, 08:32 PM
(11-06-2016, 07:25 PM)gstanford Wrote: Poor IQ when upsampling content under 1080p to 4K is (unfortunately) a common trait of cheap 4K TV's and this one appears to be no different.That makes absolutely no sense. It's just upscaling cleanly from 1 pixel to 4 pixels in a square, there shouldn't be any quality loss.
11-06-2016, 09:23 PM
(11-06-2016, 07:24 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:You're not impressed with HDR? You don't notice any difference?(11-06-2016, 05:43 PM)gstanford Wrote: LOL!
11-06-2016, 09:28 PM
(11-06-2016, 07:25 PM)gstanford Wrote: Most people don't care about TV tuners. Only people your age and mindset do. Lots of people use TV's for something other than watching TV. If a TV has a bad tuner but is otherwise OK a simple solution is to use an external tuning box. Why would you think you know these things and the review site doesn't? From the review of my TV, Sony XBR65850D: Quote:Lowest 1080p input lag is achieved under 'Game' picture mode. The 'Clearness' setting under 'Motionflow' can be used to clarify action some more and won't increase the input lag (although it does darken the screen). 1080p input lag also stays low enough for some slower games when image interpolation is turned on, which is something that can't be said for most TVs. They obviously understand interpolation and game modes in their testing? They state on their drill down explanation of motion blur testing: Quote:Motion blur that you see on TVs influences how blurry fast movement appears to be on the screen. For the most part, motion blur manifests as a trail on moving objects, and is of particular importance for sports and video games. If you enjoy watching either of those things, it’s important to get a TV with minimal blur. I know you like to argue and say cheap TVs are good, but this TV has issues. A gamer would be better off with a good 65" from Vizio that is only $1299 at Best Buy any day of the week: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2016 Does it make sense to spend $928 on a 70" tv that is rotten for gaming when you can get a good 65" TV for gaming for $372 more at most? AND you don't have to camp out at Sams for Black Friday, and battle mobs like an hyena in the jungle scrapping for a deer carcass? Not in my world. Wouldn't buy something junky when I could get something good for a couple hundred more.
11-06-2016, 09:29 PM
(11-06-2016, 09:29 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-06-2016, 09:23 PM)SickBeast Wrote: You're not impressed with HDR? You don't notice any difference? Are PC games not HDR? Have you not hooked your PC up to the TV? Also, is 4k Netflix not HDR?
11-06-2016, 11:31 PM
(11-06-2016, 09:29 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:If you want 4K HDR videos, here are some: http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr(11-06-2016, 09:23 PM)SickBeast Wrote: You're not impressed with HDR? You don't notice any difference?
11-07-2016, 05:58 AM
Quote:Are PC games not HDR? 1) You must have a newer nVidia graphics card 2) You must have a hard wire connected Shield TV 3) You must have a game that supports it As of this moment the only way to get HDR on PC games out to a display is if you can check all three of those boxes. Doom 3, the original not the remaster, started off internal HDR rendering(now they almost all do internally)- unfortunately we don't have any PC monitors that support the standard(for consumer displays at least) nor is there a clear cut adoption of what color space to use for outputting it(TVs have adopted a DCP3 standard in a Rec2020 package). The only reason the above works is because Shield TV has been pushing to keep the latest and greatest features checked for a streaming box, we get PC games working with it as a side benefit.
11-07-2016, 06:06 AM
GStan, you can squirm, troll, and misdirect all you want, but the Sams Club Black Friday 70" TV just isn't really good for anything a person would use such a device for.
I do think you should buy one though.  As far as the 4K HDR content goes, when movies I want to see are available for rent in that format, I'll rent them. It looks like the new Star Trek movie is in HDR, I'll ask my wife to check if they have it at the video store next time she's there.
11-07-2016, 06:44 PM
(11-07-2016, 06:09 AM)gstanford Wrote: I never expressed any interest in buying that TV, would prefer to get a nice 4K unit with HDR when I do get a new TV to take advantage of all the new HDR content Sony has arriving alongside the PS4 Pro. So you're apparently ready to stop saying it's a good deal and that all the things it doesn't do well don't matter. Progress! Vudu has that new Star Trek movie in HDR, I'll check it out this weekend.
11-08-2016, 12:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2016, 12:14 AM by RolloTheGreat.)
(11-07-2016, 07:09 PM)gstanford Wrote: It could be a good deal depending on what you use it for and your budget. Real life is definitely complex for one of us. I don't look at a pretty uniformly bad review of a TV like this one and think, "Well 70" TVs at this price point are pretty bad so I guess this one is OK compared to them" like you seem to be doing. I look at that review and think, "I'd better get either a really good 60" tv for my $1000., or try to find a fair fair 65" TV for close to this. 70" is out of my price range." When I bought my TV this summer I knew I wanted to spend $1500-$2000 and I looked at the pros and cons of all the TVs in that price range and tried to decide which would be the best for my room and uses. I did not say, "Yay, Haier has a 75" 4K TV for $1300! The specs aren't very good, but they never are at this price point and size, so the TV is OK.". Nobody smart shops like you appear to.
11-08-2016, 05:00 AM
Speaking of HDR, YouTube now supports HDR: http://techreport.com/news/30930/youtube...orious-hdr
11-08-2016, 06:39 AM
Greg did you talk to Dave about Rollo moderating you? What was the verdict? I still see Rollo trolling you unrequited. He still has mod powers as well. It must be eating you up inside. I can see your blood boiling and I live in a different hemisphere!
11-08-2016, 07:06 AM
So Dave is allowing Rollo to stay? And to retain his mod powers?
11-08-2016, 09:01 AM
(11-08-2016, 07:55 AM)gstanford Wrote: Presumably as he hasn't yet banned him, and if he isn't banned over editing other people's posts then I don't know what it will take for him to be banned Maybe trolling people relentlessly, then reversing position when shown stupidity of arguments? Ah, sorry, don't want to take your job.
11-08-2016, 09:57 AM
(11-08-2016, 09:17 AM)gstanford Wrote: You are pathetic. And yet in the last 20 years I've bought 4 houses, 5 power boats, lots of cars, invested a bunch of cash for retirement, been faithful to my wife, raised a happy kid, spent tons of time enjoying my hobbies with family and friends, and finished a second university degree. Not a bad life for a pathetic guy.....
11-08-2016, 07:00 PM
11-08-2016, 07:47 PM
(11-08-2016, 07:33 PM)gstanford Wrote:(11-08-2016, 07:00 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-08-2016, 10:12 AM)gstanford Wrote: Materialistic as well as pathetic. Must have a gigantic emotional/mental void that your materialism and forum trolling is trying to fill in.... Uh huh. Do you think you would buy the same things, at the same frequency, if you had double or triple the money to spend GStan? I don't buy things for status, I buy things to enjoy life. (and the things I buy are evidence of that, always function over appearances)
11-09-2016, 12:03 AM
(11-08-2016, 08:00 PM)gstanford Wrote:Quote:Do you think you would buy the same things, at the same frequency, if you had double or triple the money to spend GStan?Certainly not! Purchasing two graphics cards for SLI is about as extravagant as I've ever gotten no matter what my bank balance may have been (and except for 8800 GTX & GT 280 those graphics cards have always been mainstream midrange cards, not something extravagant). I think the quick way to say this would be: If you don't want to hear about why I wouldn't consider my life "pathetic", refrain from asserting that it is. 
11-09-2016, 07:01 AM
Rollo is this the TV you bought?
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR65X850D-6...op?ie=UTF8 I was gong to buy 3 of them for some 4k surround action.
11-09-2016, 10:05 AM
(11-09-2016, 07:01 AM)happy medium Wrote: Rollo is this the TV you bought? Yes and that's a super price for it!
11-10-2016, 06:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2016, 06:33 AM by happy medium.)
(11-09-2016, 10:05 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-09-2016, 07:01 AM)happy medium Wrote: Rollo is this the TV you bought? Well 3 Titan Xp 's and 3 Sony TV's should make me feel better about myself since I have no friends and a small penis. You know what I'm feeling right? 
11-10-2016, 07:05 AM
I'm not happy with my 55" 4k RCA TV. The colors are really terrible on it. I will be buying something better once my student loan is paid off in about a year. The Sony looks really nice. Prices should drop nicely for me over the next year. Next year's black Friday is my goal.
11-10-2016, 08:38 AM
(11-10-2016, 07:05 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I'm not happy with my 55" 4k RCA TV. The colors are really terrible on it. I will be buying something better once my student loan is paid off in about a year. The Sony looks really nice. Prices should drop nicely for me over the next year. Next year's black Friday is my goal. You've pretty much got to spend over a $1000 to get a good tv. GStan duped you with his tales of HiSense bargains You don't have to get a $4000 OLED to get a good TV, but you need to spend that $1000 at least. (although OLEDs reign supreme)
11-10-2016, 07:26 PM
(11-10-2016, 09:17 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-10-2016, 06:32 AM)happy medium Wrote:(11-09-2016, 10:05 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(11-09-2016, 07:01 AM)happy medium Wrote: Rollo is this the TV you bought? just joking with ya. |
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