BoFox! Ocre! iRollo!

[RolloTheGreat]

I pay for four ISPs and have access to others, do you honestly think I need VPNs?

[SteelCrysis]

I pay for four ISPs and have access to others, do you honestly think I need VPNs?

Do you really need 4 ISPs, when VPNs exist?

[RolloTheGreat]

I pay for four ISPs and have access to others, do you honestly think I need VPNs?

Do you really need 4 ISPs, when VPNs exist?

I work at home 100% and have separate home, business, cell, and vehicle. Have to be able to log on to client networks wherever I am at, and have back up internet.

You look at internet differently when your livelihood depends on it.

I don't care enough about posting on forums to pay for VPNs these days. The era of tech forums has come and gone.

[SickBeast]

What's interesting is that the Camaro in iRollo's profile picture looks just like the Camaro keysplayr used to use on his profile picture.  So this could be a parody of a parody.  This should be interesting.  iRollo, reveal yourself!!  

[RolloTheGreat]

Yes iRollo, post something to break up the No Exit-esque tedium of the forum only 4 people post on.

[SickBeast]

C'mon!

[RolloTheGreat]

C'mon!

If you wanted there to be a forum here, you and GStandroid should have stayed here and let Apoppin try to attract members to BenedictArnoldTechReviews (BTR) on his own when he decided to stab Dave in the back.

There used to be a viable forum here with a handful of core members and other people popping in and out.

All you accomplished was creating two dead forums, and a part time job for Apoppin where he gets to keep all the ad revenue instead of split it with Dave.

[SickBeast]

C'mon!

If you wanted there to be a forum here, you and GStandroid should have stayed here and let Apoppin try to attract members to BenedictArnoldTechReviews (BTR) on his own when he decided to stab Dave in the back.

There used to be a viable forum here with a handful of core members and other people popping in and out.

All you accomplished was creating two dead forums, and a part time job for Apoppin where he gets to keep all the ad revenue instead of split it with Dave.

I didn't go anywhere. I'm still here. I love ABT. Completely unmoderated, freedom of speech. It's fantastic. Dave is great. The only times I have "left" were when you drove me crazy to the point that I couldn't stand to even read the forum here.

apoppin was free to leave. The USA is a free country the last time I checked.

I'm not sure why you're stirring up drama.

[RolloTheGreat]

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...file&uid=7

SB- 35% of all posts

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...file&uid=2

GStandroid - 7% of all posts

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...e&uid=5180

Steel Crysis- 5% of total posts

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...file&uid=4

Apoopin- 45% of total posts



Conversations between Sick Beast and Apoopin are 80%+ of the BTR forum! I guess if you want to read what SB and Apoopin have to say, it's the place to go.

If you add in SC and GStandroid its a whopping 92%+ of all posts.

Like I said, you and GStandroid basically created two ghost town forums by leaving with Apoopin.

[RolloTheGreat]

5....4...3....2...1....

Apoopin removes ability for people to see member profile info so visitors can't see the forum is a sham without reading it.

[SickBeast]

Oh Rollo, always whining about the same things.

[RolloTheGreat]

Oh Rollo, always whining about the same things.

The fact that you and Apoopin make up over 80% of all BenedictArnoldTechReviews (BTR) forum posts is more interesting than BoFox's decision to leave here.

There's not a lot of reason for BoFox to stay.

But how amazing are those BTR forum stats?

Apoopin has been talking for MANY YEARS, since ABT started, about how he was going to create a huge, revolutionary tech forum.

And after many years of trying he's got a forum where he's almost half the posts, and you are more than a third.

He should rename it "The Apoopin Chats with Sick Beast Online" forum so people know what to expect!

[SickBeast]

Yet you registered and attempted to post there. Interesting.

[RolloTheGreat]

Yet you registered and attempted to post there. Interesting.

What's more interesting is you kissing Kyle's butt on H in his "Gosh we can't tell the difference in two cards where one runs DOOM at 150fps and the other runs it at 100fps" video discussion.

Let me guess- the master sent you forth to post links to BTR reviews there like you do on Reddit?

[SickBeast]

Yet you registered and attempted to post there. Interesting.

What's more interesting is you kissing Kyle's butt on H in his "Gosh we can't tell the difference in two cards where one runs DOOM at 150fps and the other runs it at 100fps" video discussion.

Let me guess- the master sent you forth to post links to BTR reviews there like you do on Reddit?

I sense jealousy. I assume you have to post there in secrecy using a false alias.

[RolloTheGreat]

Yet you registered and attempted to post there. Interesting.

What's more interesting is you kissing Kyle's butt on H in his "Gosh we can't tell the difference in two cards where one runs DOOM at 150fps and the other runs it at 100fps" video discussion.

Let me guess- the master sent you forth to post links to BTR reviews there like you do on Reddit?

I sense jealousy. I assume you have to post there in secrecy using a false alias.

Of what? The butt kissing? "Gosh Mr. Kyle, you are an asset to computer gamers around the world and the last of the gaming kings!"

Or that Apoopin sends you forth to advertise his reviews?

Hmmmm....no, I don't envy either role.

As to where I post, you'll just have to guess.

[SickBeast]

It's almost as though kindness is foreign to you. Are you seriously mocking me for saying something kind to someone? You should try it yourself sometime instead of all this negativity.

[RolloTheGreat]

It's almost as though kindness is foreign to you. Are you seriously mocking me for saying something kind to someone? You should try it yourself sometime instead of all this negativity.

If you tell me you're there because you like H and you really believe what you said to Kyle, I retract what I said.

Kyle is a super guy, and has always been a go to for reviews. I like his "playable settings" approach.

If you're just there to pimp BTR like you do on Reddit, what I say stands.

[SickBeast]

Rollo you're crazy.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you're crazy.

There to shill BTR, eh?

[SickBeast]

Rollo you're crazy.

There to shill BTR, eh?

I just really don't understand you. You must be completely nuts. You follow me around to multiple online forums, it's almost like you're stalking me. This is genuinely turning into harassment. I don't appreciate it. I have never done anything to you. Leave me alone. Please.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you're crazy.

There to shill BTR, eh?

I just really don't understand you. You must be completely nuts. You follow me around to multiple online forums, it's almost like you're stalking me. This is genuinely turning into harassment. I don't appreciate it. I have never done anything to you. Leave me alone. Please.

Pretty self centered of you.

I've been reading H forever, and the discussion on the first Vega "review" interested me.

Seeing your 7 post self there, I jumped to the conclusion you're either there to pimp Amoppin, or talk smack about AMD who paradoxically didn't like Amoppin's attempts to vilify them.

[SickBeast]

Rollo you're crazy.

There to shill BTR, eh?

I just really don't understand you. You must be completely nuts. You follow me around to multiple online forums, it's almost like you're stalking me. This is genuinely turning into harassment. I don't appreciate it. I have never done anything to you. Leave me alone. Please.

Pretty self centered of you.

I've been reading H forever, and the discussion on the first Vega "review" interested me.

Seeing your 7 post self there, I jumped to the conclusion you're either there to pimp Amoppin, or talk smack about AMD who paradoxically didn't like Amoppin's attempts to vilify them.

Self centered!? Get a grip man! You have followed me around on:

- Reddit
- HardOCP
- BTR
- probably ATF also

Like I said, this constitutes harassment IMO. Please stop. I don't understand the fascination and you're making me extremely uncomfortable.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you're crazy.

There to shill BTR, eh?

I just really don't understand you. You must be completely nuts. You follow me around to multiple online forums, it's almost like you're stalking me. This is genuinely turning into harassment. I don't appreciate it. I have never done anything to you. Leave me alone. Please.

Pretty self centered of you.

I've been reading H forever, and the discussion on the first Vega "review" interested me.

Seeing your 7 post self there, I jumped to the conclusion you're either there to pimp Amoppin, or talk smack about AMD who paradoxically didn't like Amoppin's attempts to vilify them.

Self centered!?  Get a grip man!  You have followed me around on:

- Reddit
- HardOCP
- BTR
- probably ATF also

Like I said, this constitutes harassment IMO.  Please stop.  I don't understand the fascination and you're making me extremely uncomfortable.

Self centered. You may not believe this, but H is a pretty popular forum. You think when I want to read about tech I go to BTR?



You "don't understand the fascination" because there is none.

[SickBeast]

There to shill BTR, eh?

I just really don't understand you. You must be completely nuts. You follow me around to multiple online forums, it's almost like you're stalking me. This is genuinely turning into harassment. I don't appreciate it. I have never done anything to you. Leave me alone. Please.

Pretty self centered of you.

I've been reading H forever, and the discussion on the first Vega "review" interested me.

Seeing your 7 post self there, I jumped to the conclusion you're either there to pimp Amoppin, or talk smack about AMD who paradoxically didn't like Amoppin's attempts to vilify them.

Self centered!?  Get a grip man!  You have followed me around on:

- Reddit
- HardOCP
- BTR
- probably ATF also

Like I said, this constitutes harassment IMO.  Please stop.  I don't understand the fascination and you're making me extremely uncomfortable.

Self centered. You may not believe this, but H is a pretty popular forum. You think when I want to read about tech I go to BTR?



You "don't understand the fascination" because there is none.

That brings up a very good question: why *do* you go to BTR? And why on earth are you following me around on Reddit?

[RolloTheGreat]

That brings up a very good question:  why *do* you go to BTR?  And why on earth are you following me around on Reddit?

Well SB, I stop by there every now and again to see if there is anything interesting on the forum.

One time I saw a long conversation between you and Amoppin where you were going to Reddit at his bidding and battling with the AMD guys for him. I believe Reddit even closed your account and you were talking about re-registering so you could post more BTR items there.

Which I thought was pretty ironic given your past statements on me posting on NVs behalf and re-registering.

I guess its only OK if it is to help Amoppin keep his part time job posting stuff for NVIDIA?

I also find it amusing you think I'd take the time to "stalk" you. LOL, to what end? I have absolutely nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose.

People like me who have "won the game" and reached career and financial security generally don't risk their lifestyle to commit petty crimes over internet forum squabbles, genius.

"Hmmmmm, let's see: I can ride out my cushy lifestyle to a cushy retirement with plenty of cash, or I could risk it all and embarrass my family to go up to Canada and punch a guy in the nose because he said mean things to me on the internet!"

Again, I truly doubt you have a Masters and are a teacher because a lot of the stuff you come up with is just so far from what is common sense. I think it's more likely you're the lodger living in a guy with a Masters basement. Just amazing how ill conceived some of your posts are.

[RolloTheGreat]

BTW SB, if you're GOING to go around the internet pimping BTR and battling AMD guys on Amoppins behalf, don't you think it would be smarter to discuss it in PMs?

Again, not exactly rocket science.



http://alienbabeltech.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1545

[SickBeast]

Again Rollo, I think you're completely nuts. You say you post on multiple other tech forums. I do also. You don't see me following you around and then mocking you or harassing you here. I really do think you're a total idiot. There is genuinely something wrong with you. There is some sort of deep rooted pathology. You need to focus on positive things and on your own life, not on this constant negativity and your fixation on bringing others down. If you wonder why people don't like you, this is exactly why.

[iRollo]

Well I was banned from anand  in one day or so and brought here the record crowd. Car was pontiac trans am btw 

[RolloTheGreat]

Again Rollo, I think you're completely nuts.  You say you post on multiple other tech forums.  I do also.  You don't see me following you around and then mocking you or harassing you here.  I really do think you're a total idiot.  There is genuinely something wrong with you.  There is some sort of deep rooted pathology.  You need to focus on positive things and on your own life, not on this constant negativity and your fixation on bringing others down.  If you wonder why people don't like you, this is exactly why.

And I say again to you:

I'm not following you around the internet. I ran across your post reading a thread on the only site on the internet that has a RX Vega review. I ran across your BTR shilling post on a random stop at BTR to see what's up there. I see your posts here because I stop here with some regularity to see what's up.

You're just not that interesting frankly.

Some of the stuff you say, like,"Waaahh! Stranger danger! I feel uncomfortable! The bad old Rollo man read some of my posts!" is pretty funny. (or that "All the retail and driving jobs will be gone in 5 years" stuff) but if you had a Youtube page or Twitter account, I wouldn't bother following you.

Probably because like me you're a middle age or better guy not much really happens to.

Seriously- I'm about to give my son a full ride through costly American universities. Do you HONESTLY think I want to spend legal fees defending myself against ANYTHING right now? Or want to violate the ethics parts of my consulting work agreement?

That's more nuts than anything I've ever said. Not to mention if I wanted retribution on everyone who smarted off to me on the internet I'd be working on it until about 2038.  

You've got to think about the stuff you say, and try to incorporate what makes sense from the other person's perspective. What you know of me, family man, good job for decades, multiple degrees, fairly well off, doesn't really add up to "petty thug activity" now does it?

LOL- I once told my own mom I wouldn't visit her until she moved to a better neighborhood when she was pinching pennies on rent. I just told my son last night he needs to give up that thrift store vintage clothes crap and head back to Abercrombie and Fitch like we used to buy him. I'm not exactly "gangsta" doofus.

[SickBeast]

Again Rollo, I think you're completely nuts.  You say you post on multiple other tech forums.  I do also.  You don't see me following you around and then mocking you or harassing you here.  I really do think you're a total idiot.  There is genuinely something wrong with you.  There is some sort of deep rooted pathology.  You need to focus on positive things and on your own life, not on this constant negativity and your fixation on bringing others down.  If you wonder why people don't like you, this is exactly why.

And I say again to you:

I'm not following you around the internet. I ran across your post reading a thread on the only site on the internet that has a RX Vega review. I ran across your BTR shilling post on a random stop at BTR to see what's up there. I see your posts here because I stop here with some regularity to see what's up.

You're just not that interesting frankly.

Some of the stuff you say, like,"Waaahh! Stranger danger! I feel uncomfortable! The bad old Rollo man read some of my posts!" is pretty funny. (or that "All the retail and driving jobs will be gone in 5 years" stuff) but if you had a Youtube page or Twitter account, I wouldn't bother following you.

Probably because like me you're a middle age or better guy not much really happens to.

Seriously- I'm about to give my son a full ride through costly American universities. Do you HONESTLY think I want to spend legal fees defending myself against ANYTHING right now? Or want to violate the ethics parts of my consulting work agreement?

That's more nuts than anything I've ever said. Not to mention if I wanted retribution on everyone who smarted off to me on the internet I'd be working on it until about 2038.  

You've got to think about the stuff you say, and try to incorporate what makes sense from the other person's perspective. What you know of me, family man, good job for decades, multiple degrees, fairly well off, doesn't really add up to "petty thug activity" now does it?

LOL- I once told my own mom I wouldn't visit her until she moved to a better neighborhood when she was pinching pennies on rent. I just told my son last night he needs to give up that thrift store vintage clothes crap and head back to Abercrombie and Fitch like we used to buy him. I'm not exactly "gangsta" doofus.

It's nice to hear that you judge your family and their decisions the same way that you judge people negatively online. They must love that.

[RolloTheGreat]

Ok I'm (morbidly) fascinated now since you've said your parents are better off than you in the past, why is your mum renting in an inappropriate neighbourhood if she is richer than you?

and why is your son shopping at a thrift shop if you buy everything he wants (even if he doesn't like a PS4)?

Mum:
Like I said, pinching pennies and wanted to live closer to my brother. Wasn't a gunshot neighborhood, but I saw some folk in the parking lot I wasn't comfortable walking by with my then toddler. She moved out soon after because she found out she wasn't thrilled with it either, and has lived in places I don't mind visiting since.

Son: Part of his quest for vintage to mix with the rest. He also orders costly shoes every other week, custom clothes from artists, and doesn't think twice about spending $50 on a tshirt from the 80s. He's looking for a more unique look than the suburban mall kid look.

My point with those comments is I'm an old suburbanite, about as dangerous as Wonderbread. (a bland, mass produced white bread if you guys don't have it) I'm about as boring (and dangerous) as Mr. Rogers.

[RolloTheGreat]

Ok I'm (morbidly) fascinated now since you've said your parents are better off than you in the past, why is your mum renting in an inappropriate neighbourhood if she is richer than you?

and why is your son shopping at a thrift shop if you buy everything he wants (even if he doesn't like a PS4)?

Mum:
Like I said, pinching pennies and wanted to live closer to my brother. Wasn't a gunshot neighborhood, but I saw some folk in the parking lot I wasn't comfortable walking by with my then toddler. She moved out soon after because she found out she wasn't thrilled with it either, and has lived in places I don't mind visiting since.

Son: Part of his quest for vintage to mix with the rest. He also orders costly shoes every other week, custom clothes from artists, and doesn't think twice about spending $50 on a tshirt from the 80s. He's looking for a more unique look than the suburban mall kid look.

My point with those comments is I'm an old suburbanite, about as dangerous as Wonderbread. (a bland, mass produced white bread if you guys don't have it) I'm about as boring (and dangerous) as Mr. Rogers.

[SickBeast]

Ok I'm (morbidly) fascinated now since you've said your parents are better off than you in the past, why is your mum renting in an inappropriate neighbourhood if she is richer than you?

and why is your son shopping at a thrift shop if you buy everything he wants (even if he doesn't like a PS4)?

Mum:
Like I said, pinching pennies and wanted to live closer to my brother. Wasn't a gunshot neighborhood, but I saw some folk in the parking lot I wasn't comfortable walking by with my then toddler. She moved out soon after because she found out she wasn't thrilled with it either, and has lived in places I don't mind visiting since.

Son: Part of his quest for vintage to mix with the rest. He also orders costly shoes every other week, custom clothes from artists, and doesn't think twice about spending $50 on a tshirt from the 80s. He's looking for a more unique look than the suburban mall kid look.

My point with those comments is I'm an old suburbanite, about as dangerous as Wonderbread. (a bland, mass produced white bread if you guys don't have it) I'm about as boring (and dangerous) as Mr. Rogers.

I guess it's different living in the States. I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are. It's extremely sad. I could see having to be careful about where one lives. We don't really have that problem here. I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with. The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion. They have no means to dig themselves out of it. Glass ceilings everywhere. They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive. The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable. Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society. They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base. They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by. Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education. That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings. We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you. Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops. So what if he wants to shop there? Maybe it will give him more money for other things. I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really. I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university. I continue to save money in any way I can. It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US. It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant. You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo. I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

[RolloTheGreat]

I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

Ummm, if my mom lived in the ghetto I wouldn't have taken my son there at all. A person has to look out for the safety of their family and an easy way to do that is avoid areas where there are people who commit crimes.

I honestly don't think much about the poor, but I do have compassion for them. (LOL- Ive been "them") Hopefully this Foxconn deal is the beginning of manufacturing jobs coming back to the Midwest, people need jobs in that sector. Too many of them stocking shelves and flipping burgers now.

[SickBeast]

Well I was banned from anand  in one day or so and brought here the record crowd. Car was pontiac trans am btw 

Why did they ban you? The mods at ATF are completely nuts. esquared is the worst.

[ocre]

I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

What do you know about the poor in the USA? You have no clue the amount of crap fed to you by groups with agendas. You truly know nothing first hand. It amazes me how so many people are fooled, the extent is mind boggling. People have been misled in so may ways and they have no clue how badly. I have said many times on this forum that the "poor" today live a standard of life that far exceeds the majority of all humans since the dawn humankind. But there are so many groups and people who have found ways to capitalize on propaganda that many people seem all too eager to fall for. Those people feeding and pushing the propaganda, they have agendas which have nothing to do with saving the poor.

You would be surprised to find out how much of what you think you know is completely warped. The manipulation is made easier when they constantly push, pull, and feed on people's guilt. But, I know you cant possibly be anywhere near accepting what i just said. What you think you know now, its burned in so well that you may never be able to realize it.

But nevertheless, there are the facts.

Lets start off with the huge obesity epidemic for the "poor" in the USA. Yep, the poor starving people in the US are starving themselves to unprecedented obesity.




But facts like these, they are not talked about... unless there is some way to spin it, the narrative has to be how mistreated the poor is. And so these kind of facts, they even try to spin something like this so that it is somehow an act against the poor.
So they make it into something like this: Super smart specialist theorize that the higher obesity levels in the poor may be due to the fact that poor people dont have access to the same food that people with higher incomes have.

And i am serious, i have read that exact claim many times. But, see.. the poor are not forced to buy junk food. Its actually insane, nuts... junk food is not cheap, Sodas, snack cakes, and all that crap... you can make real meals on the same budget. You can make real meals, home cooked for less than the mass amounts of junk food obese people eat. And the obesity levels trend with income in the US. The lower incomes have not only a higher percentage of overweight people, its also the level of obesity. And it takes a lot of junk food to gain and maintain huge Body Mass Indexes.
Sadly, in the US you can go into any grocery store and find people pushing shopping carts piled to the max with junk crap food, individuals pushing multiple overflowing carts to the register and paying with foodstamps...all of it pure fat, sugar, junk food. All across the nation.

But, you know.. the poor, oh how they all suffer. Lets just look at how bad they got it:

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-ineq...acts-about

-> Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.
-> Some 96 percent of poor parents report their children were never hungry at any time in the prior year.
-> Sound anti-poverty policy must be based on accurate information and address the causes of poverty, not merely the symptoms.

- 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
- 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
- Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
- Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
- Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
- Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
- More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
- 43 percent have Internet access.
- One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
- One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

Not too bad.... right?
Well, those statistics are from 2011. Instead of things becoming worse, these kind of stats have only increased since then. I am linking to this specific article because it is so broad and full of well written, with so many facts and statistics most people will never see, all in one place.

Sickbeast, at the very least, read the linked article. I feel you ignore and completely close out things that go counter to what you believe in your head. At least understand that there are things in this world that dont perfectly fit in the predefined box you think they do. That sickbeast POV is a skewed and limited to the portals which you base them on.

[SickBeast]

I guess it's different living in the States.  I know every time I go there I'm shocked at how many and at just how large the ghettos are.  It's extremely sad.  I could see having to be careful about where one lives.  We don't really have that problem here.  I mean, we have our bad neighborhoods, sure, but nothing like what I have seen in the USA.

I think your general attitudes towards the poor is extremely telling as to the general sentiment there, and it's really the cause of the problem to begin with.  The poor in the USA get no respect and no compassion.  They have no means to dig themselves out of it.  Glass ceilings everywhere.  They can't afford to go to college, heck, they're more worried about having food to eat and a roof over their heads.

Actually I was reading a news article where they were talking about the minimum wage, it really saddened me to read the comments from people worried that groceries were going to be more expensive.  The thing is, people earning minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  Not only that, but they are *working* and contributing to society.  They're not at home collecting social assistance, draining money from the tax base.  They are doing their best to contribute to society and get by.  Not everyone has the means or the ability to obtain a higher education.  That doesn't mean that they are any less important as human beings.  We need to live in a society where people generally have a decent chance at success and a decent chance at a happy life.

Really Rollo I find it appalling the way you talk about the poor and those less fortunate than you.  Even telling your son that he has to dress a certain way and not shop at thrift shops.  So what if he wants to shop there?  Maybe it will give him more money for other things.  I'm sure he doesn't have an endless supply of cash, none of us do really.  I know that I personally am doing great but guess what, I have continued my frugal ways from when I was younger and in university.  I continue to save money in any way I can.  It just gives me more money for the things I really want.

I also have issues with the way the blacks are treated in the US.  It broke my heart to read that Michelle Obama was called an "ape" by a government worker in Virginia.

Anyhow that's a bit of a rant.  You're not going to change any time soon, Rollo.  I'm just trying to help you see the world a bit differently, through a more compassionate and less arrogant lens.

What do you know about the poor in the USA?  You have no clue the amount of crap fed to you by groups with agendas.  You truly know nothing first hand. It amazes me how so many people are fooled, the extent is mind boggling. People have been misled in so may ways and they have no clue how badly.  I have said many times on this forum that the "poor" today live a standard of life that far exceeds the majority of all humans since the dawn humankind.  But there are so many groups and people who have found ways to capitalize on propaganda that many people seem all too eager to fall for.  Those people feeding and pushing the propaganda, they have agendas which have nothing to do with saving the poor.

You would be surprised to find out how much of what you think you know is completely warped.  The manipulation is made easier when they constantly push, pull, and feed on people's guilt. But, I know you cant possibly be anywhere near accepting what i just said. What you think you know now, its burned in so well that you may never be able to realize it.

But nevertheless, there are the facts.  

Lets start off with the huge obesity epidemic for the "poor" in the USA.  Yep, the poor starving people in the US are starving themselves to unprecedented obesity.




But facts like these, they are not talked about... unless there is some way to spin it, the narrative has to be how mistreated the poor is.  And so these kind of facts, they even try to spin something like this so that it is somehow an act against the poor.
So they make it into something like this:  Super smart specialist theorize that the higher obesity levels in the poor may be due to the fact that poor people dont have access to the same food that people with higher incomes have.

And i am serious, i have read that exact claim many times.  But, see.. the poor are not forced to buy junk food.  Its actually insane, nuts... junk food is not cheap, Sodas, snack cakes, and all that crap... you can make real meals on the same budget.  You can make real meals, home cooked for less than the mass amounts of junk food obese people eat. And the obesity levels trend with income in the US.  The lower incomes have not only a higher percentage of overweight people, its also the level of obesity.  And it takes a lot of junk food to gain and maintain huge Body Mass Indexes.  
Sadly, in the US you can go into any grocery store and find people pushing shopping carts piled to the max with junk crap food, individuals pushing multiple overflowing carts to the register and paying with foodstamps...all of it pure fat, sugar, junk food. All across the nation.

But, you know.. the poor, oh how they all suffer.  Lets just look at how bad they got it:

   http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-ineq...acts-about

-> Poor Americans have more living space in their homes than the average non-poor Swede, Frenchman, or German.
-> Some 96 percent of poor parents report their children were never hungry at any time in the prior year.
-> Sound anti-poverty policy must be based on accurate information and address the causes of poverty, not merely the symptoms.

- 80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
- 92 percent of poor households have a microwave.
- Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
- Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
- Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and 70 percent have a VCR.
- Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
- More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
- 43 percent have Internet access.
- One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
- One-fourth have a digital video recorder system, such as a TiVo.

Not too bad.... right?
Well, those statistics are from 2011.  Instead of things becoming worse, these kind of stats have only increased since then.  I am linking to this specific article because it is so broad and full of well written, with so many facts and statistics most people will never see, all in one place.  

Sickbeast, at the very least, read the linked article.  I feel you ignore and completely close out things that go counter to what you believe in your head.  At least understand that there are things in this world that dont perfectly fit in the predefined box you think they do.  That sickbeast POV is a skewed and limited to the portals which you base them on.

Look, ocre, you and I have completely different world views.  You're from the deep south and I'm from Canada...let's just say that we're both surrounded by completely different societies.  I can disagree with your opinions and still walk away with a lot of respect for you.  What you have just posted is completely reasonable.  The post of mine that you just quoted was directed at Rollo, who has shown repeatedly that he has a complete disdain for the poor and also "slackers" as he calls them.

You say I don't understand the poor in the USA, that's a fair point, I haven't really studied it, I just know what I know based on what I have seen.  Talk to any Canadian that has visited the States, they will all tell you that the ghettos there are unlike anything seen in Canada.  The burnt out buildings, the boarded up windows.  People are actually *living* in those conditions.  You call that a life?

Maybe things are a bit different there.  Perhaps people can get by on a minimum wage living.  That is simply not possible here, the cost of living is simply too high in our cities.  Like I said before, the people making minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  They are working and contributing to society, not sitting at home collecting social assistance.  Economist after economist has touted the benefits of raising the minimum wage.  The only ones opposed to it are the businesses.  They have to meet their bottom line and they have to maximize their profits to their shareholders, I get that.  However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.

What I find interesting is that people are just wired different politically.  I don't think you and Rollo can see it any other way, nor should you really.  This diversity is really what makes democracy great and it's what makes our systems work.  You guys are right about some things, guys like me are right about others.  I have a lot of compassion for the less fortunate.  Heck, I have *been* that person before in my life, I know how hard it is.

Like I said before, my post was directed at Rollo, not you.  I do appreciate our discussions on ABT.  Things are always civil and I feel like I'm having an intellectual conversation with you.

[RolloTheGreat]

You need more compassion for the poor Ocre. Only if you post you like them and support taxing the rich on the internet will they be saved!

[RolloTheGreat]

Look, ocre, you and I have completely different world views.  You're from the deep south and I'm from Canada...let's just say that we're both surrounded by completely different societies.  I can disagree with your opinions and still walk away with a lot of respect for you.  What you have just posted is completely reasonable.  The post of mine that you just quoted was directed at Rollo, who has shown repeatedly that he has a complete disdain for the poor and also "slackers" as he calls them.

You say I don't understand the poor in the USA, that's a fair point, I haven't really studied it, I just know what I know based on what I have seen.  Talk to any Canadian that has visited the States, they will all tell you that the ghettos there are unlike anything seen in Canada.  The burnt out buildings, the boarded up windows.  People are actually *living* in those conditions.  You call that a life?

Maybe things are a bit different there.  Perhaps people can get by on a minimum wage living.  That is simply not possible here, the cost of living is simply too high in our cities.  Like I said before, the people making minimum wage are our most vulnerable.  They are working and contributing to society, not sitting at home collecting social assistance.  Economist after economist has touted the benefits of raising the minimum wage.  The only ones opposed to it are the businesses.  They have to meet their bottom line and they have to maximize their profits to their shareholders, I get that.  However I would much rather see that money in the hands of the thousands of people at the bottom as opposed to the single CEO making $20 million a year.  Actually I would suggest that the vast majority of the corporations affected by a higher minimum wage could simply cut their executive salaries and they would probably even come out ahead.

What I find interesting is that people are just wired different politically.  I don't think you and Rollo can see it any other way, nor should you really.  This diversity is really what makes democracy great and it's what makes our systems work.  You guys are right about some things, guys like me are right about others.  I have a lot of compassion for the less fortunate.  Heck, I have *been* that person before in my life, I know how hard it is.

Like I said before, my post was directed at Rollo, not you.  I do appreciate our discussions on ABT.  Things are always civil and I feel like I'm having an intellectual conversation with you.

"Look Ocre I just want to criticize Rollo"?


A. Who are you to say what CEOs should make? How would you like it if they said YOU make too much money?
B. As noted, higher minimums are a big problem for small business, and small business is half our jobs, a leader in jobs creation, the origin of many big corporations, and way for families to obtain wealth and independence outside of the corporate world. Your view is almost like communism, "Everyone works together for the big effort and the workers wages are raised, management is lowered, because everyone's job is just as important!".
C. I've been poor as well, to the point I actually got food stamps. (govt assistance) I did not have the heart to use them and did not, but I have been poor. You know what I found? It was a really good motivation to try and get ahead.
D. The working poor here already are subsidized with health care, food stamps, rent assistance. You want them to be paid more as well?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/food...05db4d1364

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ty/516861/