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(02-21-2016, 11:34 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: (02-21-2016, 11:31 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote: (02-21-2016, 10:33 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Oh man it looks like Trump could win this thing!
The Electoral College Delegates have already said Trump has the Presidency locked up.
If so, Obamacare was a very short experiment:
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/270...re-mandate
Trump said he is OK with the Mandate that they would just make amendments to appease the Republican base.
Basically would just do enough to say he did away with Obamacare but it still exists.
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So Dave just so I understand this, you are voting for Trump? Even people with progressive views like you support Trump?
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I didn't say that but know many that are including a Super Delegate.
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(02-24-2016, 05:03 PM)gstanford Wrote: (01-29-2016, 12:32 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I ordered off an ipad at LaGuardia airport recently, but someone still had to cook and bring me my food.
GStan's "I Robot" future won't be arriving in 2016.
The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036.
AFAIK the "learning" they do is created by inputs their original programmers had to code for.
GStan has been watching The Terminator movies too much and dreaming about the great robot takeover.
Watch out for those lasers GStan!
I don't need to watch out for the lasers, Rollo, but maybe you do?
Meet the latest version of Atlas, from Boston Dynamics. The future is coming - much, much faster than you can possibly imagine. Won't be long before Atlas is cooking and serving for you at LaGuardia - the airport doesn't need to pay him wages!
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/02/d...dal-robot/
https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY
While that is impressive, I've never stated robots can't do simple things like move boxes.
You stated robots will be building and programming themselves, which is not going to happen this generation, or the next. (ever?)
GStan's nightmare:
Hmmm they do talk about parts made in Japan. Did Sony tell you Mr Roboto is coming soon GStan?
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(02-24-2016, 06:19 PM)gstanford Wrote: Atlas is moving those boxes autonomously and walking through the snow autonomously and opening doors and walking through them autonomously and getting back up when pushed over autonomously.
No human help, he is making those decisions all by himself on the fly based on what he has learned previously.
Nothing to do with Japan. Boston Dynamics is an American company, wholly owned by Google.
Walking and moving boxes is "little" easier than coding and fabricating machines that fabricate machines.
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LOL, GStan logic:
"Holy crap! That device can walk and pick up boxes! Soon it will be mining metal, creating alloys, creating plastic, creating microchips, writing computer code, buildng factories to create clones of itself! I'd better stock up on food and head for the hills to hide from our robot overlords!"
All because it can chase a barcoded box.
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(02-24-2016, 06:51 PM)gstanford Wrote: Trivialize it all you like. Won't stop the progress from happening and at a far faster rate than you could dream of.
As recent as June last year most robots couldn't come close to what Atlas is doing now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFkrwagYfc
And not long before that they couldn't do these things at all without big umbilical tethers to PC's.
Who knows what Atlas will be capable of in 6 months time. More than what you will give him credit for, that is for certain.
You better make sure he can't find your workplace, you might be retiring earlier than you expected!
Oh, I can dream of robots that can pick up boxes and walk around. I'd think they could do more complex stuff than that actually.
It's hilarious you see this as evidence they'll be self aware and reproducing soon.
When I was in college 30 years ago I saw monkeys doing far more complex things than Atlas. Last I checked they haven't replaced anyone yet.
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(01-29-2016, 05:19 AM)gstanford Wrote: Rollo Wrote:The computers and robots won't be building and programming themselves in 2036 You don't know that! I'll bet you are dead wrong and that they are actually doing so well before then!
You said robots would be building and programming themselves in 20 years.
A. Robots don't do anything "by themselves".
B. If they did, the skills and dexterity needed to do everything involved in manufacturing robots are light years beyond moving boxes.
C. If they had the intellectual and fine motor skills to complete all the tasks involved, robots lack money to buy factories and raw materials.
D. More flaws I'm not going to spend the time to think of.
No one doubts that people who move boxes or run a drill press are in danger of losing their jobs to robots, that's been going on for decades.
What we're discussing is your laughable assertion robots will be building themselves from the ground up within 20 years.
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Robot Boss: Build a microprocessor capable of self directed action, electrical and mechanical engineering, and computer programming! I command it!
Robot Flunkie: I am sorry boss, I can only walk or move a box. I did learn how to reset course if misdirected, is that like building microprocessors?
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(02-25-2016, 08:38 PM)gstanford Wrote: You are asking way too much. Most humans can't produce that for you.
Automated circuit layout is a thing though (AMD loves it, that is a bit part of why bulldozer and its offspring suck so badly), the robot could certainly be given the knowledge to produce a die plan from circuit designs you provide.
"I" am not asking that at all. I'm replying to you saying this would be going on within 20 years, as quoted. (twice)
Yes most humans can't do a lot of the stuff necessary to make even Atlas. The odds Atlas is going to be making Atlas in 20 years a very, very low.
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Well scratch that Trump is a lock.
Cruz won Super Saturday with a 2 to 1 margin over Trump.
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If you watch the video that's embedded in this link, there is an analyst that's predicting Trump will win the whole lot:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/republicans...-1.3477523
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(03-06-2016, 09:21 AM)SickBeast Wrote: If you watch the video that's embedded in this link, there is an analyst that's predicting Trump will win the whole lot:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/republicans...-1.3477523
Mathmatically that is no longer possible.
Republicans will have a brokered Convention and they will keep Trump out.
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There is no way I can catch up, I have been away so long....
All I got to say is
Trump trump trump
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(03-07-2016, 12:07 AM)ocre Wrote: There is no way I can catch up, I have been away so long....
All I got to say is
Trump trump trump
You like him eh? I think the Republican party is a mess right now but I also think Clinton is a weak candidate. Anything could happen in this election. It's wide open IMO.
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You ever seen the movie king ralph?
Trump trump trump!!!!
Anyone that all the politicians hate, republicans and Democrats, that's what I notice.
We are tired of the same political bs over and over. Trump is different, and at the very least he is a wake up call. I admire how verbal he is, I believe that he is loosed lipped. As much as people call that a flaw, we need someone to bust the grid lock. We need someone to tell us what is really going on. We need to send a message to the political class.
Trump is extreme, he says some really extreme things. What is really on his mind.
There are a lot of things he says that need to be said, whether or not we go those extreme routes, the bs politics are broken here in the usa. It's totally broken.
Trump is not your typical republican, that is because the right has confined itself to a tiny little box. The party does not represent well the people in it. The cardboard cut out republican today, it's not the people. We aren't that cardboard figure, we aren't that singular ideology.
I want no other republican to win the nomination, no one but trump.
We need to send a message to Washington. These guys lost sight and don't represent us. It's been a sham for so so long.
Trump is scaring the shit out of the Republicans. I am totally mesmerized
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(03-07-2016, 01:16 AM)ocre Wrote: You ever seen the movie king ralph?
Trump trump trump!!!!
Anyone that all the politicians hate, republicans and Democrats, that's what I notice.
We are tired of the same political bs over and over. Trump is different, and at the very least he is a wake up call. I admire how verbal he is, I believe that he is loosed lipped. As much as people call that a flaw, we need someone to bust the grid lock. We need someone to tell us what is really going on. We need to send a message to the political class.
Trump is extreme, he says some really extreme things. What is really on his mind.
There are a lot of things he says that need to be said, whether or not we go those extreme routes, the bs politics are broken here in the usa. It's totally broken.
Trump is not your typical republican, that is because the right has confined itself to a tiny little box. The party does not represent well the people in it. The cardboard cut out republican today, it's not the people. We aren't that cardboard figure, we aren't that singular ideology.
I want no other republican to win the nomination, no one but trump.
We need to send a message to Washington. These guys lost sight and don't represent us. It's been a sham for so so long.
Trump is scaring the shit out of the Republicans. I am totally mesmerized
I also agree with you.
Some men carry their balls in their wallet , some in a can of beer , Trump carries his in a wheel barrel. 
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(03-07-2016, 01:16 AM)ocre Wrote: You ever seen the movie king ralph?
Trump trump trump!!!!
Anyone that all the politicians hate, republicans and Democrats, that's what I notice.
We are tired of the same political bs over and over. Trump is different, and at the very least he is a wake up call. I admire how verbal he is, I believe that he is loosed lipped. As much as people call that a flaw, we need someone to bust the grid lock. We need someone to tell us what is really going on. We need to send a message to the political class.
Trump is extreme, he says some really extreme things. What is really on his mind.
There are a lot of things he says that need to be said, whether or not we go those extreme routes, the bs politics are broken here in the usa. It's totally broken.
Trump is not your typical republican, that is because the right has confined itself to a tiny little box. The party does not represent well the people in it. The cardboard cut out republican today, it's not the people. We aren't that cardboard figure, we aren't that singular ideology.
I want no other republican to win the nomination, no one but trump.
We need to send a message to Washington. These guys lost sight and don't represent us. It's been a sham for so so long.
Trump is scaring the shit out of the Republicans. I am totally mesmerized
I agree with some of this. We've had the status quo for too long. (and it is good to see someone that speaks their mind without caring about puppetmaster campaign contributors)
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You know, in the end the people are going to decide, and that's always a great thing. Sometimes mistakes are made but generally people are elected for a reason. Trump is definitely going to make a splash. If the Republicans don't nominate him I am certain he will run as an Independent. If that's the case I don't think he will win, but he will have a huge impact on the results nonetheless. Actually he would probably split the conservative vote and then Clinton would win for sure.
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(03-07-2016, 05:35 AM)SickBeast Wrote: You know, in the end the people are going to decide, and that's always a great thing. Sometimes mistakes are made but generally people are elected for a reason. Trump is definitely going to make a splash. If the Republicans don't nominate him I am certain he will run as an Independent. If that's the case I don't think he will win, but he will have a huge impact on the results nonetheless. Actually he would probably split the conservative vote and then Clinton would win for sure.
Nope, the people in the U.S. do not get to decide.
The Delegates of the Electoral College and the Supreme Court get to decide who gets in.
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(03-07-2016, 06:30 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote: (03-07-2016, 05:35 AM)SickBeast Wrote: You know, in the end the people are going to decide, and that's always a great thing. Sometimes mistakes are made but generally people are elected for a reason. Trump is definitely going to make a splash. If the Republicans don't nominate him I am certain he will run as an Independent. If that's the case I don't think he will win, but he will have a huge impact on the results nonetheless. Actually he would probably split the conservative vote and then Clinton would win for sure.
Nope, the people in the U.S. do not get to decide.
The Delegates of the Electoral College and the Supreme Court get to decide who gets in.
How do you mean?
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U.S. presidential election voters determine who wins in their counties, the counties decide who wins the states, and the states decide the votes in the Electoral College. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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(03-07-2016, 07:00 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: U.S. presidential election voters determine who wins in their counties, the counties decide who wins the states, and the states decide the votes in the Electoral College. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe there have been a couple times where the state electoral didn't follow the popular vote that had no effect on the elections.
The Supreme Court had an impact once.
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Now with Trump clearly in the lead the Republican party is apparently trying to find a way to overthrow him. Trump is saying there will be "riots" if that happens.
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(03-18-2016, 03:20 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Now with Trump clearly in the lead the Republican party is apparently trying to find a way to overthrow him. Trump is saying there will be "riots" if that happens.
He has the lead but not likely to get to 1237 Delegate count.
They will not allow him to be the nominee in the convention.
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They keep saying how unlikely it is, but he only has to get 54% of the remaining delegates.
There are some huge piles in the upcoming states, making the first set of states look tiny. Also, trump us rather popular in those states. They claim he has only got about 46% of the delegates so far, and this is their reason to doubt he will get magic number.......but, he has been competing in these states with many many other people, all those people suck the available delegates and Trump still managed 46%.
At this point, his chances of getting what he needs are better than they every been. And if he was ever a threat, if they ever had a real fear....that threat is now increased by orders of magnitudes. It's funny how they say some how that John C win in Ohio will magically give him super steam to ploy ahead, but what about the blow out trump just had? Of course they down play it, but it's more than clear that trump has ran away with it. Huge wins do have a lasting effect, and no one one as huge as trump.
Trump needs 54% of the remaining delegates. It's not unlikely for him to get it. They are downplaying this in a major way. You see, the claim that he had to win ohio is being used, but if you look at the other states this past Tuesday...he won them but the way he won them is much more interesting. Look at IL and missouri, trump walked away with most of all the delegates.
It's not a long shot for trump to win, but it still isn't over. With fewer people and his big wins, the map favors him going forward.
But they will do every last stinking thing they cN to stop him. And it's gonna be nasty
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Trump will win the nomination, no doubt about it. The Gov of Ohio? Please. The only other candidate with a chance is Cruz, and that only if he picks up Rubio and Carson's voters.
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They say that and mathematically there are enough delegates on the table for cruz. But what you are not hearing is that Ted needs to win not only every state but just about every single delegate left. This is inconceivable, improbable, and just about impossible considering the delegates in the remaining states are proportional. See ted has to win something like 88% of all that is left.
Completely not realistic
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3-22-2016
Cruz splits Western Tuesday with Trump, makes getting Majority nearly impossible for Trump.
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05-04-2016, 06:36 AM
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5-3-2016
Trump wins Indiana in landslide
Cruz drops out, Trump GOP Nominee
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Kasich dropped out too.
Unless Hillary is indicted and forced to drop out it's Trump Vs Hillary
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I'm really starting to believe that Trump might win this thing. With all the bad news lately around the world I can see a lot of people being driven by fear to vote for Trump. If he wins I hope things don't turn out too badly!
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(07-19-2016, 07:52 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I'm really starting to believe that Trump might win this thing. With all the bad news lately around the world I can see a lot of people being driven by fear to vote for Trump. If he wins I hope things don't turn out too badly! Me too. My view of Trump, based on his actions and the people he surrounds himself with, is that he is dragging himself out of ignorance, and picking the political stances and political advisors that he likes the most. Here's hoping he achieves critical mass to escape ignorance some time after he moves into the Oval Office.
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07-20-2016, 08:27 AM
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Alex Jones shows up at the RNC, raves like a lunatic, and can't be bothered to aim his body slam at the guy who threw a punch at him:
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Wow the other republicans aren't endorsing Trump at the convention. Is that normal? Sanders endorsed Clinton and those two were practically enemies.
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(07-20-2016, 08:36 AM)gstanford Wrote: I heard that the RNC is set to be a real shit-storm thanks to Norovirus!
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/07/n...ff-so-far/
Wholly crap!!!!
I almost died laughing
That was so freaking funny gstan..Like, the funniest shit ever.
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(07-21-2016, 08:17 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow the other republicans aren't endorsing Trump at the convention. Is that normal? Sanders endorsed Clinton and those two were practically enemies.
Yes, that is normal.
They are protecting their spot to run again in 4 or 8 years.
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